Israel.

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It's as simple as this, has Israel ever possessed all the land God promised them? No. So either God is a liar, or He will keep His promises. The dry bones are the picture of Israel, coming to life again. God will keep His promises.

Yes, they did. Furthermore, God said he fulfilled eveything he promised to them. You just don't believe what is written

David smote also Hadadezer, the son of Rehob, king of Zobah, as he went to recover his border at the river Euphrates. 2 Samuel 8:3​

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And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the river [Euphrates] unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life. 1 Kings 4:21​

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And at that time Solomon held a feast, and all Israel with him, a great congregation, from the entering in of Hamath unto the river of Egypt, before the LORD our God, seven days and seven days, [even] fourteen days. 1 Kings 8:65​

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And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Joshua 21:43-45​

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[Lamar]

How do you know that there are no pure Jews?

How do you know that they exist?

If Samaritans can not be considered Jewish then no one today can be considered Jewish.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Yes, they did. Furthermore, God said he fulfilled eveything he promised to them. You just don't believe what is written

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

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Like the bible says in the verses I quoted, the kingdom of Israel under Solomon encompassed the borders in your map; from the Euphrates River to the Nile River. You just don"t believe what's written in the bible

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Like the bible says in the verses I quoted, the kingdom of Israel under Solomon encompassed the borders in your map; from the Euphrates River to the Nile River. You just don"t believe what's written in the bible

No, you either don't understand what is written or you want to ignore what is written, either way here's the following to consider.


Joshua 13:1: “The Lᴏʀᴅ said to [Joshua], ‘You are old and advanced in years, and very much of the land remains to be possessed.’”

v. 13 “But the sons of Israel did not dispossess the Geshurites or the Maacathites.”

15:63; 16:10: “Now as for the Jebusites, the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the sons of Judah could not drive them out. . . but they did not drive out the Canaanites who lived in Gezer.”

17:12 “But the sons of Manasseh could not take possession of these cities, because the Canannites persisted in living in that land.”

To take the land and have it given to them is to be differentiated from fully possessing the land. So while they took the land and lived in it, they never fully “dispossessed” the enemies from the land. To the writing of the book of Joshua, the enemies persisted until that time at least.

It wasn’t until the time of Solomon (not even David) that Israel’s borders came close to the parameters that God described in His Word. Israel’s borders extended to the border of Egypt (1 Kings 4:21) but not the river of Egypt mentioned in Genesis 15:18.


“I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” “Everlasting” is the emphasis here, and without a doubt, Israel has NOT been in possession of the land in perpetuity.
...even to this day, the full extent of the land is NOT theirs. They have never been in full possession of all the land.

“In that day [the future Millennial Kingdom]… Behold, days are coming… I will restore the captivity of My people Israel… I will also plant them on their land, and they will not again be rooted out from their land which I have given them,” says the Lᴏʀᴅ your God.”

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No, you either don't understand what is written or you want to ignore what is written, either way here's the following to consider.


Joshua 13:1: “The Lᴏʀᴅ said to [Joshua], ‘You are old and advanced in years, and very much of the land remains to be possessed.’”

v. 13 “But the sons of Israel did not dispossess the Geshurites or the Maacathites.”

15:63; 16:10: “Now as for the Jebusites, the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the sons of Judah could not drive them out. . . but they did not drive out the Canaanites who lived in Gezer.”

17:12 “But the sons of Manasseh could not take possession of these cities, because the Canannites persisted in living in that land.”

To take the land and have it given to them is to be differentiated from fully possessing the land. So while they took the land and lived in it, they never fully “dispossessed” the enemies from the land. To the writing of the book of Joshua, the enemies persisted until that time at least.

It wasn’t until the time of Solomon (not even David) that Israel’s borders came close to the parameters that God described in His Word. Israel’s borders extended to the border of Egypt (1 Kings 4:21) but not the river of Egypt mentioned in Genesis 15:18.


“I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” “Everlasting” is the emphasis here, and without a doubt, Israel has NOT been in possession of the land in perpetuity.
...even to this day, the full extent of the land is NOT theirs. They have never been in full possession of all the land.

“In that day [the future Millennial Kingdom]… Behold, days are coming… I will restore the captivity of My people Israel… I will also plant them on their land, and they will not again be rooted out from their land which I have given them,” says the Lᴏʀᴅ your God.”

God never said he would possess the land for them; he promised to give it to them to live in, which the bible says he did. It was their responsibility to possess the land, and they failed, but God didn't fail in his promise, Read again these verses and have a believing heart rather than being stiffnecked.

And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Joshua 21:43-45​

 

[Kroogz]

“In that day [the future Millennial Kingdom]… Behold, days are coming… I will restore the captivity of My people Israel… I will also plant them on their land, and they will not again be rooted out from their land which I have given them,” says the Lᴏʀᴅ your God.”

Simple as that! It really is a simple as that.

They will have the land and they will never be uprooted from it.

What the world and many believers are doing to Israel today, is all the more reason to believe in God and His promises.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It wasn’t until the time of Solomon (not even David) that Israel’s borders came close to the parameters that God described in His Word. Israel’s borders extended to the border of Egypt (1 Kings 4:21) but not the river of Egypt mentioned in Genesis 15:18.

The verse I quoted earlier says that Solomon reigned to the Nile River. He couldn't have had a festival there if he didn't reign over it

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Simple as that! It really is a simple as that.

They will have the land and they will never be uprooted from it.

What the world and many believers are doing to Israel today, is all the more reason to believe in God and His promises.

Exactly, before 48 it was almost impossible for us to see that happening. It was by faith. Israel was the nation born in a day. The dry bones coming to life again. God's grace and mercy are amazing.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The verse I quoted earlier says that Solomon reigned to the Nile River. He couldn't have had a festival there if he didn't reign over it

Did the Jews possess all the land eternally never to be uprooted again? No. Until that happens the promise remains unfulfilled.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Did the Jews possess all the land eternally never to be uprooted again? No. Until that happens the promise remains unfulfilled.

That's not what the bible says. It says God gave them all the land he promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Only spiritual Israel will possess the land eternally. Flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom of God/Christ/heaven

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Exactly, before 48 it was almost impossible for us to see that happening. It was by faith. Israel was the nation born in a day. The dry bones coming to life again. God's grace and mercy are amazing.

Spiritual Israel is the nation born in a day at Pentecost when the holy spirit joined the sticks of Joseph (Ephraim) and Judah back together as one .

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

That's not what the bible says. It says God gave them all the land he promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Only spiritual Israel will possess the land eternally. Flesh and blood can't inherit the kingdom of God/Christ/heaven

No, God made an unconditional promise to Abraham. To be in the land eternally, never to be uprooted again. Israel was the nation born in a day in 48. That is the beginning of God's prophetic time clock. God is gathering the Jews that He scattered, just as He said He would in the land that He said He would.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Spiritual Israel is the nation born in a day at Pentecost when the holy spirit joined the sticks of Joseph (Ephraim) and Judah back together as one .

No!! The nation born in a day is Israel. History proves that. A literal nation, with borders. A land promise that God will fulfill. It is literal, not spiritual.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No, God made an unconditional promise to Abraham. To be in the land eternally, never to be uprooted again. Israel was the nation born in a day in 48. That is the beginning of God's prophetic time clock. God is gathering the Jews that He scattered, just as He said He would in the land that He said He would.

Obviously, Abraham is not back in the land eternally, so that won't happen until the resurrection. And it won't happen for anyone else either until that time

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No!! The nation born in a day is Israel. History proves that. A literal nation, with borders. A land promise that God will fulfill. It is literal, not spiritual.

A carnal interpretation. Show me where the word literal is used in the bible

 

[Kroogz]

Yes, they did. Furthermore, God said he fulfilled eveything he promised to them. You just don't believe what is written

David smote also Hadadezer, the son of Rehob, king of Zobah, as he went to recover his border at the river Euphrates. 2 Samuel 8:3​

​

And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the river [Euphrates] unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life. 1 Kings 4:21​

​

And at that time Solomon held a feast, and all Israel with him, a great congregation, from the entering in of Hamath unto the river of Egypt, before the LORD our God, seven days and seven days, [even] fourteen days. 1 Kings 8:65​

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And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Joshua 21:43-45​

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NEVER TO BE UPROOTED. That is the key. Israel will have the land(at some point in time) and will NEVER be uprooted.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

NEVER TO BE UPROOTED. That is the key. Israel will have the land(at some point in time) and will NEVER be uprooted.

Abraham isn't yet in the land eternally never to be uprooted. That will happen at the resurrection. What makes you think anyone else will be there before he is?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Obviously, Abraham is not back in the land eternally, so that won't happen until the resurrection. And it won't happen for anyone else either until that time

But his descendants are, or are beginning to be since 48.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

A carnal interpretation. Show me where the word literal is used in the bible

No, a common sense one. smh Is everything is the Bible to be interpreted literally? Of course not! Is Jesus standing at an actual door somewhere knocking?? Seriously.