Understanding God’s election

[Cameron143]

Yes. Throughout the Bible we see signs and wonders. Types and shadows given to the folks who didn't have missionaries at their front doors.

Christ was slain from the foundation of the world......


His Helper(The Holy Spirit) has been helping since the foundation of the word.

Is it your contention that if the gospel doesn't reach a particular people group that God has always reached that group some other way? Do you have scripture or evidence that this is so? And if this is so, why is there no evidence of this when missionaries arrive?

 

[lrs68]

Apparently you have never read 1Tim 6:16. But I'm not surprised that have bought into Satan's lie that man is just like God! The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it?

Talk about misuse of the Scripture for personal gain.

 

[Magenta]

You have to understand something here about Studier: He believes the sons of men can actually change their nature -- just like he believes the Ethiopian can change the color of his skin and the leopard can most assuredly change its spots.

Yes, I understand that what they do, as well as what their cronies do, is replace what Scripture actually says with what they want it to say, guided by vain philosophy and the traditions of man.

 

[Kroogz]

Is it your contention that if the gospel doesn't reach a particular people group that God has always reached that group some other way?

Yes. If there is not a "missionary" , there will be a way God gets to them.

And if this is so, why is there no evidence of this when missionaries arrive?

How do you know this?


But you do see......we are focusing on the creature?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

To the contrary, reformed faith focuses predominantly on what God has done, and doesn't attribute the actions of God to men.

also ignoring and ommiting everything God said we’re supposed to do

 

[Pilgrimshope]

He has made a way for mankind to be reconciled to Himself.

Mmhm he has made them a way

 

[Kroogz]

And if this is so, why is there no evidence of this when missionaries arrive?

And food for thought.....

Why didn't the missionaries have 30-40% of the native Americans saying," We are already saved! I was elected 10-30 years ago!"

Missionaries should have found many elect native Americans if reformed theology is correct.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Reformed theology is cold and rigid. Its emphasis/focus is on MANKIND and his "worthlessness." Not on what GOD did for mankind.

Maybe they care about what God said to mankind

 

[Kroogz]

Maybe they care about what God said to mankind

God shows us in His word the estate of mankind......No doubt.

God shows us in His word what He has done for mankind......No doubt.

Reformed theology is STUCK on the estate of man and can't see what God has done to FIX that.

 

[Cameron143]

Yes. If there is not a "missionary" , there will be a way God gets to them.


How do you know this?


But you do see......we are focusing on the creature?

Because when the missionaries arrived the people knew nothing of Jesus. Certainly if God by the Spirit had revealed Christ, the people would have known about Christ. After all, Jesus said the Spirit testified of Him.

 

[Cameron143]

also ignoring and ommiting everything God said we’re supposed to do

This is simply false.

 

[Cameron143]

Mmhm he has made them a way

Did man make a way to save himself?

 

[Cameron143]

And food for thought.....

Why didn't the missionaries have 30-40% of the native Americans saying," We are already saved! I was elected 10-30 years ago!"

Missionaries should have found many elect native Americans if reformed theology is correct.

Reformed theology doesn't have individuals being saved apart from the word of God.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God shows us in His word the estate of mankind......No doubt.

God shows us in His word what He has done for mankind......No doubt.

Reformed theology is STUCK on the estate of man and can't see what God has done to FIX that.

yeah but maybe those your referring to care about what God said about things

air seems like you’ve labeled Gods word about things “ reformed doctrine tbat focuses people on what they can do “ for instance jesus said

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus seems to be teaching them what to do and offering them the truth about the results of each “ if you do this ….god will do this” bit if you don’t neither will he “

are you saying this kind of thinking about God and his forgivness is wrong ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This is simply false.

Not at all tbats always true of that doctrine

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Did man make a way to save himself?

Nope some simply reject the way he made and offered to all and others believe his way of salvation and will be saved

believing Gods way of salvation isnt trusting ourselves he taught believers what to believe and do …..it’s when we reject his word about things and make another way that’s trusting in our selves

believing the thing Jesus gave us for salvation and acting as if we believe what he sent to us ….is faith .

inventing a whole new doctrine that faith means “ you don’t need to do anything now your pre selected or you aren’t “ isnt faith

 

[Inquisitor]

This must be their theme song

That is a very old song.

 

[Cameron143]

Not at all tbats always true of that doctrine

So you are saying that I tell people to ignore what God says to do? You are claiming I tell people to disobey God?

If you can point out the post where I make such a statement, you would be doing me a great kindness. I will not only recant such a statement, but make a public apology.

 

[Cameron143]

Nope some simply reject the way he made and offered to all and others believe his way of salvation and will be saved

believing Gods way of salvation isnt trusting ourselves he taught believers what to believe and do …..it’s when we reject his word about things and make another way that’s trusting in our selves

believing the thing Jesus gave us for salvation and acting as if we believe what he sent to us ….is faith .

inventing a whole new doctrine that faith means “ you don’t need to do anything now your pre selected or you aren’t “ isnt faith

Again, if you can point me to the post where I say what you claim in your final paragraph, you would be doing me a wonderful service.

 

[Inquisitor]

Romans 9 verses 11-13 ~ Before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad, in order that Gsod’s plan of election might stand, not by works but by Him who calls, she (Rebekah) was told, “The older will serve the younger.” So it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

God does not hate anyone.

God shows no favoritism any where or at anytime.

Jesus gave His life for Jacob and Esau.

Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers
and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

I am assuming that as God hated Esau and condemned Esau to an eternity of suffering.

That you also hate your parents and wish they were in hell for eternity also.