Gospel Confusion...

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Pilgrimshope

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No one is saying to not be baptized or not to be baptized in His name. The debate is over whether baptism is necessary for salvation.

is baptism n the name of Jesus Christ the doctrine God sent forth for remission of sin ? That’s all I’m saying . God sent forth doctrine for people to believe and act upon baptism is one of those things. I don’t understand the reasoning behind removing baptism for remission of sins from doctrine and then saying “ it’s not necassary “ that’s never going to make any sense to me who began saying “ baptism doesn’t mean what they all taught it means !”
 

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Acts 2:37 they believed and OBEYED what they were told to do.

If you believe you will obey.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

So why arnt't the devils REBORN?

Acts 16,
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

YOU FAILED TO FINISH THE STORY!!!

Don’t you get the magical formula ?

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s like this ; since tbat verse is true this verse can’t be true or acceptable to us !

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If one verse is true it makes the others untrue and irrelevant …..
 

Pilgrimshope

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Honestly man,
where on earth did you get that from?
I know she is saved.
Yet your oneness bent disagrees.
That’s what i asked you.
I quoted it from what you said to me bro

It’s what you said to me I was answering it lol

and I don’t know who’s saved or not was my response
 

BillG

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I quoted it from what you said to me bro

It’s what you said to me I was answering it lol
Obviously conduction here.
Where did I say that I thought she was not saved because she wasn’t baptised in Jesus name only.

Based on your posts I read you believe that she is not saved because her sins have not been forgiven because she has not been baptised in the name of Jesus only.
 

Cameron143

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NO ITS SAYS SHALT NOT ARE.

If you believe you will obey.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

So why arnt't the devils REBORN?

Acts 16,
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

YOU FAILED TO FINISH THE STORY!!!
No I didn't. It doesn't say they were saved by baptism. But it does say if they believe they will be saved.
The problem with your theology is that you require those hostile to God and who have hearts of stone to obey God without first having been given hearts of flesh that is necessary for one to hear and obey God.
 

BillG

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Is your argument you want it to be worded exactly that way ? If it doesn’t say “ Jesus name only “ then you won’t accept it ?
Nope not at all,
There are people who say that if it’s not in the name of Jesus only then they are not saved.

Baptism does not save and the words do not save, it’s by faith.
Baptism is the spiritual marker.
Outward expression of an inward belief,

All 4 of my kids have been baptised because Jesus asked that they do that and want to be obedient in that.

All were baptised as a result of their own faith and what Paul talks about in Roman’s
and what to be like Jesus
 

Pilgrimshope

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Obviously conduction here.
Where did I say that I thought she was not saved because she wasn’t baptised in Jesus name only.

Based on your posts I read you believe that she is not saved because her sins have not been forgiven because she has not been baptised in the name of Jesus only.
“Obviously conduction here.
Where did I say that I thought she was not saved because she wasn’t baptised in Jesus name only.”

If I’m responding to something you said I want to show you what I’m responding to that you said . That’s what I did before I never said you said that about her I was quoting what you said about me and then responding to it …….I hope that helps clarify 😃


“Based on your posts I read you believe that she is not saved because her sins have not been forgiven because she has not been baptised in the name of Jesus only”

yeah you seem to think a lot I haven’t said bro . You might have me mixed up with some of the other folks in the thread . I’ve said multiple times I’m. Ot your judge or hers Jesus is like he’s mine and I’ve also said my opinion for what it’s worth regarding the specific question of do I think she’s lost because. Don’t agree with how she was baptized

is no I don’t believe God condemns people for technicalities made by pastors who didnt understand what the name of the father the son and the Holy Ghost is .


again though I’m here talking about correct biblical doctrine . In a Bible discussion forum I assume must be about the Bible . So biblically I believe the name to be baptized in is Jesus and that there’s no other name taught in scriptire to be baptized in

again my reasoning is the father the son and the Holy Ghost isn’t a name , the name is Jesus
 

Cameron143

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Acts 2:37 they believed and OBEYED what they were told to do.

If you believe you will obey.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

So why arnt't the devils REBORN?

Acts 16,
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

YOU FAILED TO FINISH THE STORY!!!
Yes, Acts 2:37 is where regeneration takes place. God provides hearing through Peter's preaching...faith comes by hearing, their hearts are transformed...they were pricked in their hearts. Only after this is the will changed...what shall we do.
Because they have been regenerated in receiving a new heart, they now are eager to obey.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Nope not at all,
There are people who say that if it’s not in the name of Jesus only then they are not saved.

Baptism does not save and the words do not save, it’s by faith.
Baptism is the spiritual marker.
Outward expression of an inward belief,

All 4 of my kids have been baptised because Jesus asked that they do that and want to be obedient in that.

All were baptised as a result of their own faith and what Paul talks about in Roman’s
and what to be like Jesus
Nope not at all,
There are people who say that if it’s not in the name of Jesus only then they are not saved.”

those people aren’t the judge of anyone and neither am I , Jesus is. But you would never find me saying how someone isnt saved that’s contrary to faith . I’m talking about doctrine not trying to judge anyone’s salvation not my place or really anyone else’s but Jesus when he comes and we all appear before him laid bare
 

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Sin was remitted at the cross. That's where sin was paid for. When someone gets saved, they are simply learning what God has already done on their behalf.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Oh I do and you know that.
That’s why wr talk about it as you know.
Notice that to talk rather than just quote verses after verses.
Yeah bro I notice when there aren’t any verses it just becomes about opinions . We may fundamentally think differently I believe we’re meant to learn those scriptures and think and believe them
To me that’s fundamental because it’s Gods word
 

Pilgrimshope

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Sin was remitted at the cross. That's where sin was paid for. When someone gets saved, they are simply learning what God has already done on their behalf.
yeah what’s the risen lord know bout it

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


buuuut oh by the way your already saved or already damned so hesring the gospel and believing won’t help ya ……or change anything
 

Cameron143

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yeah what’s the risen lord know bout it

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


buuuut oh by the way your already saved or already damned so hesring the gospel and believing won’t help ya ……or change anything
Not already. The gospel is important. It is the means God employs to bring one to faith. No one knows who will be saved or who will not except God.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Not already. The gospel is important. It is the means God employs to bring one to faith. No one knows who will be saved or who will not except God.
yeah lol he told us who’s going to be saved right here

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and

preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Cameron143

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yeah lol he told us who’s going to be saved right here

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and

preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
So who will believe?
 

BillG

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Nope not at all,
There are people who say that if it’s not in the name of Jesus only then they are not saved.”

those people aren’t the judge of anyone and neither am I , Jesus is. But you would never find me saying how someone isnt saved that’s contrary to faith . I’m talking about doctrine not trying to judge anyone’s salvation not my place or really anyone else’s but Jesus when he comes and we all appear before him laid bare
Agree.
Would be interested to know when you think our sins were forgiven?
Is there a difference between remission and forgiveness?
who was Peter addressing at Pentecost?
Was it the Jews?

Do you think the difference of the baptism formula baptism doctrine that those who preach such have their works tested and one will still be saved by the fire per Corinthians (which I believe to adding to the foundation of Jesus. Ie doctrine?