Becomes Trump a dictator?

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HeIsHere

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It means exactly what it says. Help the poor.
Ask for guns, Jesus instructed his disciples to go out and purchase swords. From the context of that conversation, there's no reason to believe he was speaking metaphorically

When someone has legal refugee status you can't just revoke it without due process, or at least they're not supposed to be able to do that.

The solutions I would suggest will be first not to deliberately tank the economy with tariffs And start unnecessary trade wars.
Why do you engage a person who obviously unable to speak on any level without it becoming personal?
I think the term you used once is "butt-hurt?"
 

Dude653

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I see that you like to play a bit of hide and seek too.
Happens when folks are cornered with logical questions.
I asked you a lot of questions which you avoided. So now i'm not sure how to respond to you. Seriously? Somewhat seriously? Jokinly?
I answered your questions.
 

Eli1

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Why do you engage a person who obviously unable to speak on any level without it becoming personal.
Wait wait wait so when you offend others with your conspiracy theories, and your ridiculous ideas it's not personal?
Looks like you're a bit confused and got your teachings at some liberal school where they teach you to talk about things in imagination level so it's not on the personal level where we all live.
And you're hilarious when you do this because everything that you say and do, is personal while you become "outraged" when Trump tells it to you like it is.
 

Dude653

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No, you didn't.
You asked me what that particular scripture means and I answered your question. It means just what it says. You help the poor

And then you asked me about the guy who was deported without due process and I answered you don't deport people without due process

And then you asked me what's my solution and I answered the solution is you don't take the economy on purpose just to be Petty
 

Eli1

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You asked me what that particular scripture means and I answered your question. It means just what it says. You help the poor
You also ignored or didn't comprehend the rest of what i said.

And then you asked me about the guy who was deported without due process and I answered you don't deport people without due process
You also didn't answer my other questions about this point.

And then you asked me what's my solution and I answered the solution is you don't take the economy on purpose just to be Petty
Because you got a bit confused in the process, you gave me an answer which had nothing to do with the guy being deported and you did a, as you'd like to say, a "non sequitur".
 

Dude653

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You also ignored or didn't comprehend the rest of what i said.



You also didn't answer my other questions about this point.



Because you got a bit confused in the process, you gave me an answer which had nothing to do with the guy being deported and you did a, as you'd like to say, a "non sequitur".
The guy was deported without due process. What else is there to say about it?
 

ZNP

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The guy was deported without due process. What else is there to say about it?
The guy was here illegally, that means when it was inconvenient to him to obey our laws he simply ignored them, but now he is demanding that we follow the laws that he ignored. Once he ignored the law he lost the right to demand others to follow the law.

First return to your country, then enter the US legally, then you get the right to be protected by the law even if you are not a citizen. Agreed?
 

HeIsHere

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The guy was here illegally, that means when it was inconvenient to him to obey our laws he simply ignored them, but now he is demanding that we follow the laws that he ignored. Once he ignored the law he lost the right to demand others to follow the law.

First return to your country, then enter the US legally, then you get the right to be protected by the law even if you are not a citizen. Agreed?
That would be incorrect.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that “due process” of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is “unlawful, involuntary or transitory.”
 

HeIsHere

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In Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886), the court ruled that:

Though the law itself be fair on its face, and impartial in appearance, yet, if it is applied and administered by public authority with an evil eye and unequal hand, so as practically to make unjust and illegal discriminations between persons of similar circumstances, material to their rights, the denial of equal justice is still within the prohibition of the Constitution [the 14th Amendment].
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/118/356/


In Wong Win v. United States (1896), the court ruled that:

It must be concluded that all persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protection by those amendments [Fifth and Sixth] and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/163/228/
 

Eli1

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That would be incorrect.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that “due process” of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is “unlawful, involuntary or transitory.”
Why are you as a Canadian citizen "concerned" what the United States of America do with their laws and legislature?
Oooh that's right, because you are a living contradiction on hundreds of topics so far and ignore all the Christian points you say yourself about the poor and all those who are mistreated outside of your border for which you say knowingly or unknowingly. (y)
 

ZNP

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That would be incorrect.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that “due process” of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is “unlawful, involuntary or transitory.”
This reminds me of the last time that Democrats claimed the Republican president was a king, a tyrant, and was behaving unconstitutionally. It was when Lincoln was president and gave the emancipation proclamation.

Once again, I get that it is hard for Canadians to get this through their head, but the US government has three separate but equal branches. The President is the executive branch. Now, if anyone complains that he is behaving unconstitutionally, just as they once did when Lincoln gave the emancipation proclamation, then by all means you take them to court. The Supreme court is one of the three separate but equal branches of the government. In the past we have had bad rulings such as we had with Roe v. Wade. Yes, it was precedent, but it was bad precedent, and the Supreme Court overturned it acknowledging that it was bad precedent.

As for your error in this matter it is based on the fact that the President is given War Powers in the time of War just as Lincoln was exercising his War powers that were given to him by the US constitution. Your mistake is in ignoring the significance of Trump declaring a national emergency at the US Southern border, giving him extraordinary powers.
 

ZNP

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A Little History Lesson

Lincoln's position was that slaves were not property, yet he freed them based on the precedent that in war you can seize the property of your adversary. Lincoln's position also was that the confederate states were not a separate nation, but were rebels fighting within the one United States and that as President he respected the laws of those states which would mean he could not free their slaves. How did he reconcile this? He appealed to a higher law, the golden rule of the Lord Jesus. As you have done it will be done unto you and with what measure you measure it will be measured again unto you.

1. The South claimed slaves were property therefore Lincoln had the right to seize them and free them.

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2. The South claimed they were a separate nation therefore Lincoln was not obligated to keep their laws since they did not recognize him as president.

Therefore once you see the 20 million illegals who come across this border as an invasion and not as individual cases, the same logic applies. Once they claim they are not obligated to keep the laws of the US then since we are at war neither is the president to see them as being protected by the laws they reject.

This is why they may make a lot of noise but the Democrats are not about to challenge Trump in court, they will be humiliated. This does not mean some idiot here or there may challenge him, but the last thing the Democrats want is for this comparison with their opposition to Lincoln and his Gettysburg address to be ascribed to them and Trump.
 

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This reminds me of the last time that Democrats claimed the Republican president was a king, a tyrant, and was behaving unconstitutionally. It was when Lincoln was president and gave the emancipation proclamation.

Once again, I get that it is hard for Canadians to get this through their head, but the US government has three separate but equal branches. The President is the executive branch. Now, if anyone complains that he is behaving unconstitutionally, just as they once did when Lincoln gave the emancipation proclamation, then by all means you take them to court. The Supreme court is one of the three separate but equal branches of the government. In the past we have had bad rulings such as we had with Roe v. Wade. Yes, it was precedent, but it was bad precedent, and the Supreme Court overturned it acknowledging that it was bad precedent.

As for your error in this matter it is based on the fact that the President is given War Powers in the time of War just as Lincoln was exercising his War powers that were given to him by the US constitution. Your mistake is in ignoring the significance of Trump declaring a national emergency at the US Southern border, giving him extraordinary powers.
I would not take the suspension of habeas corpus lightly because it is a dangerous precedent.
 

ZNP

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I would not take the suspension of habeas corpus lightly because it is a dangerous precedent.
Well, I would not take what Trudeau did lightly in freezing bank accounts during the Trucker protests. Since you are Canadian I would think that is a higher priority to you than what is happening in other countries.

As for the suspension of Habeas Corpus that took place after 911 while Bush and Obama were presidents.

BTW, my brother represented some of those held in Guantanamo Bay whose Habeas Corpus rights were violated.