A standard? In what sense?The thing about the KJV is it gives the english speaking world a standard to go by so they all know where each other is coming from.
A standard? In what sense?The thing about the KJV is it gives the english speaking world a standard to go by so they all know where each other is coming from.
When I was a kid we memorized scripture in the KJ so when we had our bible quizzes we all studied the exact same thing. When someone says things like when the blind lead the blind we know where they got it and what it means.A standard? In what sense?
When I was a kid we memorized scripture in the KJ so when we had our bible quizzes we all studied the exact same thing. When someone says things like when the blind lead the blind we know where they got it and what it means.
It unifies the Christian faith(english language Christian faith) by everyone being 'on the same page.' What a pun, lol.
While common familiarity with Scripture is a good thing, it also leads to problems when someone has memorized a different version. It will lead to division between believers. Uniformity is false unity.When I was a kid we memorized scripture in the KJ so when we had our bible quizzes we all studied the exact same thing. When someone says things like when the blind lead the blind we know where they got it and what it means.
It unifies the Christian faith(english language Christian faith) by everyone being 'on the same page.' What a pun, lol.
If the ones memorizing Scripture comes across that verse thats says to “study,” maybe they will take it to heart. I remember a few decades back when I ran across a passage in Matthew where Jesus was repeating a few of the 10 commandments and He used the word ”murder” instead of kill. That set me on a trajectory of study that has yet to end. However, if that knowledge is not properly digested by ones heart, it simply makes ones head weigh a little more.While common familiarity with Scripture is a good thing, it also leads to problems when someone has memorized a different version. It will lead to division between believers. Uniformity is false unity.
While common familiarity with Scripture is a good thing, it also leads to problems when someone has memorized a different version. It will lead to division between believers. Uniformity is false unity.
I'll grant that... for the nineteenth century. Because the language of the KJV is sufficiently unfamiliar to modern English speakers, it is unreasonable to believe the KJV should be the standard today. The gospel is challenging enough without throwing a language barrier in the way.I read the geneva mostly. but i still say the kj should be the standard to avoid confusion.
Yes, I agree. I know we can look up unknown words to find their meaning, but we first need to recognise that they are unknown. What I mean is this: Some words used in the KJV are still in use todays, but with a completely different meaning to what they have in the KJV. Just a few examples@I'll grant that... for the nineteenth century. Because the language of the KJV is sufficiently unfamiliar to modern English speakers, it is unreasonable to believe the KJV should be the standard today. The gospel is challenging enough without throwing a language barrier in the way.
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I came out of a KJV-Only church after doing about 18 months of looking into the issue back in 2016.
I never went to church as a kid and so being in a very typical KJV, Pre-Mill, Dipsy, Chicken-eating, Baptist church meant I had a lot of unpicking to do theologically over the last few years, but I've got there just about...I think![]()
My issue with kjvo is discounting EVERY other translation after it.
I only use the KJV, my church is KJVO..but I would be prepared to use another accurate translation.
I know the njkv isn't really the kjv with more up to date English..because it is from using the Westcort and Hort sources ..which would make it suspect.
I know the same issue is with the niv..esv..nasb etc..using the Westcort and Hort source.
But there must be others that use the majority text that are accurate.
I never understood this. Why would God only make an "official" translation in English? Its nutty!
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It's unfortunate that you characterize your position as "faith" and "believe what the Bible says" as though people who hold a different position don't employ faith or "believe what the Bible says". It indicates an underlying arrogance on your part, a belief in the moral superiority of your position. This arrogance poisons your commentary.The difference between us is faith. I believe what the Bible says.
Again, you insult those who disagree with you. It would be far better if you simply presented your position and stopped discrediting those who disagree with you. I have never encountered any Christian who "simply does not like the idea of a perfect Word of God" or who prefers "the idea of 'ever-shape-shifting-Bibles (sic)'. I don't believe any such Christians exist, but you're welcome to quote one who does.However, today, many simply do not like the idea of a perfect Word of God and the idea of "ever-shape-shifting-Bibles' idea simply sounds better to them
In my travels, I have found that only KJV-onlyists believe that Psalm 6-7 refers to God's words rather than His people. It's not a matter of "not believing" what He said, but recognizing that He did not say what you think He said.despite the promises of God in Psalms 12:6-7, etcetera.
Obviously, given the above, it does not. That's an arrogant cop-out on your part.Again, it really comes down to faith on this topic.
Despite plain evidence to the contrary which somehow you simply refuse to acknowledge.I believe the KJV is my core foundational text that is without error for English-speaking people
If an "artificial, never-before-seen Greek text" is a problem, then your Scrivener Textus Receptus is a problem too.As for Westcott and Hort: They started the Modern Bible Movement that exists today. They took Vaticanus and Sinaiticus and smashed them together, creating an artificial never-before-seen Greek text.
The gospel is challenging enough
I'll grant that... for the nineteenth century. Because the language of the KJV is sufficiently unfamiliar to modern English speakers, it is unreasonable to believe the KJV should be the standard today. The gospel is challenging enough without throwing a language barrier in the way.
The Bible has been translated into numerous languages to make its message accessible worldwide. As of 2024, the translation status is as follows:The bible should be ever changing to keep up with the ever changing language of the day. Oh boy...
So basically, you're saying that the gates of hell prevail ALL over His word, ALL the time, right? If Gods word is so susceptible to corruption, then how can we even trust the KJV? You know there are mistakes in it too right?Not sure how you can overlook deception involving the NKJV. All of the NKJV creators were for the Critical Text. They put critical text Bible readings in it and never told anybody about that. Many people are still deceived it is a harmless KJV update. But that's the fruit of this movement.
As for Westcott and Hort: They started the Modern Bible Movement that exists today. They took Vaticanus and Sinaiticus and smashed them together, creating an artificial never-before-seen Greek text. Vaticanus and Sinaiticus disagree with each other in 3,000 places in the gospels alone and there are silly readings in these two manuscripts that are not published in Modern English Bibles. On top of that, Westcott and Hort were to simply do a KJV update with the ERV, but they snuck in their artificial new Greek text (Despite it saying it was the version set forth in 1611 AD). The Westcott and Hort text is still barely any different than the Nestle and Aland 28th edition according to even a Critical Text advocate. The Vaticanus and Sinaiticus are still the primary manuscripts looked to or favored in the Nestle and Aland editions. Rarely do variants or new manuscript discoveries affect Modern English Bibles. Modern scholarship has been wrong about Archaic Mark, and some of the Dead Sea scrolls being legitimate.
Anyway, not only do you have deceptions in the Modern Bible Movement, but you have liberals, Unitarians, and Catholics (whereby we can actually see the added Catholic ideas growing in Modern Bibles over the years) and we can see many false doctrines taught in Modern Translations (such as Jesus sinned, the devil shares the same names as Jesus, our Lord did not have active use of His power during His earthly ministry, you can divorce for sexual immorality in general instead of fornication (which is unfaithfulness before the marriage is consummated). I have had Christians tell me Jesus sinned and they pointed to a Modern Bible. So yes. Correct doctrines taught in the Bible do matter.
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