Understanding God’s election

[Magenta]

How do I lie. I share the gospel. I tell them about the life, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Is that a lie?

Well, he is lying if he says he knows in advance who will believe and who will not.
So how exactly is his position any better? It's not. He doesn't know.

PS~ you are not lying, either. You present the gospel clearly and have an understanding
of Scripture and much grace in presenting it that is largely unmatched here.

Unfortunately there are many who deny that the natural man is who and what he is.

Naturally (no pun intended) they hate having the characteristics of that person pointed out to them.

 

[Magenta]

Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7:21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8:21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14:4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7:18

 

[Kroogz]

How do I lie. I share the gospel. I tell them about the life, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Is that a lie?

And you have to tell them," You are totally depraved and natural. You cannot understand the life, death,burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. You have to wait around until he possibly saves you. My jesus didn't die for all men, you might be one of the un-elect."

Truth matters, right?

 

[Magenta]

Jeremiah 17:9 plus John 3:19-20 ~ The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? This is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil.
Are we supposed to quake and quail before the atheist, agnostic, and secular humanists because
they abhor Biblical truths as much as Pelagians do? Hmmm. Too bad, not sad that I do not.

 

[Cameron143]

And you have to tell them," You are totally depraved and natural. You cannot understand the life, death,burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. You have to wait around until he possibly saves you. My jesus didn't die for all men, you might be one of the un-elect."

Truth matters, right?

I don't need to tell them anything else. I plant and water. God gives the increase. If God is at work, they'll get saved.

 

[Magenta]

I don't need to tell them anything else. I plant and water. God gives the increase. If God is at work, they'll get saved.

1 Corinthians 3:6-7 I planted the seed and Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God Who makes things grow.

 

[Magenta]

1 Corinthians 4:7b; John 3:27; Romans 9:15-16 What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

 

[HeIsHere]

And you have to tell them," You are totally depraved and natural. You cannot understand the life, death,burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. You have to wait around until he possibly saves you. My jesus didn't die for all men, you might be one of the un-elect."

Truth matters, right?

A Catholic most likely would know about the life, death, burial and resurrection.
That is not sharing the full Gospel.

And you are correct, the reason more cannot be shared is because it would make them a liar, because maybe that person is not on the limited atonement list.

See how that works.
A travesty.

 

[GWH]

"Omnilove" (if it existed) would contradict a large body of scriptures, e.g. Lev 26:30; Deut 25:16; Job 12:21-22; Ps 5:5-6; 11:5; 15:1-5; 31:6; 45:7; 73:18-20; 95:10-11; 101:3; Prov 3:32; 6:16-19; 11:20; 2Chron 19:2; Lam 2:6-7; Hos 9:15; Nah 1:14; Dan 12:2; Rom 9:13. And these passages don't include what the Psalmists thought about the ungody to wit: Ps 119:113, 158, 163; 139:21-22.

You clearly have more than a few blind spots when it comes to God's truth. God clearly loves all who are godly, God-fearing, righteous, holy, good and faithful. IOW, He loves dearly all those in His Beloved who ALONE met all this criteria.

I'll see your OT Scripture and raise you MT 5:44&48. Are you Jewish?
It is common knowledge that RM 9:13 can express approval-disapproval rather than "Jacob I saved, but Esau I damned".

(However, I may look at those other references later just for fun :^)

 

[Rufus]

If Christ died for all, then no one need worry! I'm sure that He did not die in vain!

Rom 3:11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.

However, for those who the Father gave to Him – they will be equipped to believe and put their trust in Him!

The reformed theology is Biblical in that it gives all glory to God, rather than trying to rob Him of His glory. Unless He first renews us, we do not have the ability to approach Him on His terms. And, if we seek Him on our terms and understanding, He will not listen and we go away thinking we were saved when in fact we never were.

Well...the FWs will worry because while they talk a good game about Christ dying for all, at the same time they know He is only the potential Savior of all since they limit his atonement qualitatively.

 

[Magenta]

A Catholic most likely would know about the life, death, burial and resurrection.
That is not sharing the full Gospel.

And you are correct, the reason more cannot be shared is because it would make them a liar, because maybe that person is not on the limited atonement list.

See how that works.
A travesty.

Yes, a real travesty that you cannot understand that you do not know who will be saved either.

You can't even tell the difference between a spiritual person and the natural man.

The Bible has much to say on these two, but you don't know one from the other.

Romans 8:6-7 The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 8:5 Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.
.

 

[Magenta]

John 8:43, 47, Acts 13:48, Romans 8:8, John 8:43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.” John 8:47 “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Romans 8:8 Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 8:9-10 ~ You are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.

 

[Magenta]

Righteousness Of Christ ~ “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.” You were dead in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. The Son gives life to whom He is pleased to give it. If Christ is in you, your spirit is alive because of righteousness. We put on the righteousness of Christ.
Are we supposed to feel sorry for free willers because they do not like telling the lost the truth about their spiritual condition?

 

[GWH]

You should slow down a little. You’re so eager to show everyone how smart you that you missed my joke-the joke you most definitely walked into 😏

Not to mention, I’ve already read your kerygma and discussed it with you at length-you probably don’t remember because, well… see paragraph 1.

To jog your memory, I’m the guy who said your kerygma seemed like something out of the Catholic playbook-which it absolutely does. Are you Catholic by chance?

Yes, I missed your joke, so I'm not as smart as you thought I was.

Yes, I do not remember discussing the kerygma with you.

Why did you think it seems Catholic? Is that bad?

(I guess you have not seen me being critical of papal infallibility :^)

I was raised as a Baptist but learned that OSAS contradicted Scripture teaching perseverance and omnilove,
so now I would say that I am a GW-loving ecumenical and kerygmatic Christian.

 

[Cameron143]

A Catholic most likely would know about the life, death, burial and resurrection.
That is not sharing the full Gospel.

And you are correct, the reason more cannot be shared is because it would make them a liar, because maybe that person is not on the limited atonement list.

See how that works.
A travesty.

There is something seriously wrong with y'all. You believe people have to lie to share the gospel.

 

[Magenta]

There is something seriously wrong with y'all. You believe people have to lie to share the gospel.

They hate telling the truth so much about the state of the natural man that they have to lie.

 

[HeIsHere]

There is something seriously wrong with y'all. You believe people have to lie to share the gospel.

Actually it is the Gospel stated by you which is the lie, because it leaves out the most important part.

 

[Magenta]

Actually it is your gospel which is the lie because it leaves out the most important part.

The most important part is, it is a work of God. But not according to you.

According to you, some may have needed help. LOL

That can really only be interpreted one way, you know.

You don't believe you did need help.

You are clueless.