My KJV Debate with Jeffrey Dollar

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John146

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In other words, if the KJV uses this specific definition and the other translations uses the other possibilities it really doesn't change the intent and all versions are actually correct.
Words matter to God, not just intent. Every word matters.

Jeremiah 26:
1 In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah came this word from the Lord, saying,
2 Thus saith the Lord; Stand in the court of the Lord's house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the Lord's house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word:
 
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And if one is bent on there being no errors in the KJV, they won't see them, even if they are shown the truth.
This is sad, but true. As I just said in my last post here, I regularly read the KJV, and I personally believe it to be the best English translation. However, I readily admit that it is translated poorly in several places.
 
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Before anybody here says anything else to me, I am going to bow out of this conversation. God knows that I have been in many other similar conversations on many other forums over the years, and he also knows that it is a giant waste of time to try to sway anybody's opinion on this topic.
 
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The originals contained translations. We have no idea what the originals said. All we have is the translation.

That's what I asked when my former pastor years ago. He got away from the KJV gradually as he repeated the footnotes of the critics. "Oldest and best manuscripts exclude such and such" was the mantra. Then he started talking about the "original autographs". Even as a young naive believer it was hard to believe my pastor's claims. Do you mean that you have access to the actual writings of Moses and the prophets? I have a hard time believing that the NT letters were in a museum somewhere with the autographs of the writers!

One thing I did believe is that God was somehow able to preserve His Word correctly over time.
 

John146

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Another repeated trope. You’re not convincing anyone.
You don’t see it. It answers the critics who questions that translating the original languages into English cannot be done correctly. Nonsense.
 

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The problem arises when folks start to believe false doctrines from those Modern Bibles

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Like loss of salvation. 90% of KJV only folks Believe in eternal security......You have a pass for this heresy, you believe in the KJV for salvation.
My God is able to suspend the laws of decomposition as He did with the shoes upon the feet of His people when they were wandering around for 40 years in the wilderness.
KJV shoes would have lasted forever.
 
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Like loss of salvation. 90% of KJV only folks Believe in eternal security......You have a pass for this heresy,
Not really.
I have spoken against Eternal Security on many occasions over the years, and still intend to do so.
I strive to be diplomatic with those who believe that way, so as to reach them.
Nick Sayers who hosted the debate recently had a video debate where he debated against Eternal Security.

You said:
you believe in the KJV for salvation.
I believe a person can be saved by the gospel message with a Modern Bible.
But I believe they can lose their salvation by believing false doctrines from those Modern Translations.
They can also either fall into the trap of Modern Textual Criticism which can lead to the condemnation of Revelation 22:18-19, or they can commit apostasy.


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He not only inspired a copy of the original, but added to it.
22Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him. 23And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.
. Jeremiah 36
 

John146

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22Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him. 23And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.
. Jeremiah 36
32 Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.
 
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Before anybody here says anything else to me, I am going to bow out of this conversation. God knows that I have been in many other similar conversations on many other forums over the years, and he also knows that it is a giant waste of time to try to sway anybody's opinion on this topic.
I beg to differ. Christians have been convinced that the Modern Bible Movement is false and they moved to a KJV-only position. The same can be said the other way. There are some who were KJV-only (uninformed & without a solid foundation) and moved into the camp of the Modern Bible Movement.


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Words matter to God, not just intent. Every word matters.

Jeremiah 26:
1 In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah came this word from the Lord, saying,
2 Thus saith the Lord; Stand in the court of the Lord's house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the Lord's house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word:
God used Greek for the New Testament and English is too complicated to be exact. So making your claim is futile.
 

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My God is able to suspend the laws of decomposition as He did with the shoes upon the feet of His people when they were wandering around for 40 years in the wilderness.

My God was able to inspire once again His written Word the king cut up with a pen knife and tossed into the fire.
He preserved it in His own way .any different times by many different methods.

The Dark Ages Bibles were hand copied and cherished by believers while the unbelievers of Roman Catholicism gathered what they could find and cast them into the fires. Methods of torture, like burning believers for teaching their own children God's Holy Word, were common. William Tyndale, one of greatest linguists and translators, was strangled for the Bible and burned at the stake. His last prayer was answered and his English translation was published and much used for translating my Bible that I read today.

I have no problem believing it's God's Word as I walk by faith and not by sight. I have a number of reasons for choosing my King James Bible over the newer ones. If you wish to deny the varsity of the One that I chose, sobeit. I'm not here to debate.

One infinitely important matter is that my God IS able not only to preserve His Word in truth, but able to save you from being cast into the lake of fire.
Whether or not someone committed idolatry, murder or not, everyone has lied...

8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 21

23For the wages of sin is death;
Romans 6
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Where do we deserve to go?

Is it God's will that you suffer the same fate that enemies of His kind message gave; casting them into the fire along with His Word?
So you don't have an answer. Expected.
 
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32 Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.
Yes, I love how God throws that back at him and more.
 
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So you don't have an answer. Expected.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I was taught wrongly that salvation was a matter of behavior or giving something of ourselves to Him.
However everlasting life is His gift to us. It cost Him His life, but to us it's free. It's received by faith and nothing more. You've probably read John 3:16 a bunch of times. The gift is what He offers. 36 also says,

36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

To be saved from the wrath in hell is as simple as choosing Jesus and His complete sacrifice, that payment for His kind gift.

When I did it was expressed with a simple prayer something like this,

Dear Jesus, I don't deserve to go to heaven I've sinned and you had to suffer for me so I won't have to suffer in hell. I trust you and know that You arose from the dead.
Please give me that gift of everlasting life now. Thank You Jesus.
Amen
 

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For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I was taught wrongly that salvation was a matter of behavior or giving something of ourselves to Him.
However everlasting life is His gift to us. It cost Him His life, but to us it's free. It's received by faith and nothing more. You've probably read John 3:16 a bunch of times. The gift is what He offers. 36 also says,

36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

To be saved from the wrath in hell is as simple as choosing Jesus and His complete sacrifice, that payment for His kind gift.

When I did it was expressed with a simple prayer something like this,

Dear Jesus, I don't deserve to go to heaven I've sinned and you had to suffer for me so I won't have to suffer in hell. I trust you and know that You arose from the dead.
Please give me that gift of everlasting life now. Thank You Jesus.
Amen
You probably know but, Calvinists deny the ability to believe, exercise faith in Christ Jesus.
 

Magenta

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You probably know but, Calvinists deny the ability to believe, exercise faith in Christ Jesus.
I wonder when you will stop misrepresenting the beliefs of others.

What you present is actually quite ridiculous.

But you do that deliberately, no doubt.
 

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For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I was taught wrongly that salvation was a matter of behavior or giving something of ourselves to Him.
However everlasting life is His gift to us. It cost Him His life, but to us it's free. It's received by faith and nothing more. You've probably read John 3:16 a bunch of times. The gift is what He offers. 36 also says,

36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

To be saved from the wrath in hell is as simple as choosing Jesus and His complete sacrifice, that payment for His kind gift.

When I did it was expressed with a simple prayer something like this,

Dear Jesus, I don't deserve to go to heaven I've sinned and you had to suffer for me so I won't have to suffer in hell. I trust you and know that You arose from the dead.
Please give me that gift of everlasting life now. Thank You Jesus.
Amen
I have no idea why you responded to my comment with this.
 
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I have no idea why you responded to my comment with this.
Are you 100% sure you will go to Heaven when you die?

I think you would want some assurance of that if you don't.
My main goal is that we all receive that gift.Its a blessing that someone shared with me and I'm passing it forward.