Slain in the spirit?

[ResidentAlien]

What is the name of the church? Rebibal for Christ?

He misspelled it. It's the Revival for Christ Club in Moore, OK. It's a cult-like group led by "Chief Apostle" Timothy Vanover. The guy has been married three times and divorced twice. Many of their services are available on YouTube. A former member also did an interview about a year ago in which she describes the cult-like conditions within the group. Project Hope Podcast: S2 Ep. 3: Amanda Redwine on her experience with & exposure of 'Revival for Christ Club' and its leader, Timothy Vanover (audio only). Listen to the interview all the way to through to get all the details. Of course as in most cults, Vanover is getting rich while the rest have to fork over their cash to him. As Redwine describes it, it's a very insular group and they think that if you're not with them you're probably not even a Christian (another big warning sign).

They own the Yellow Rose Theater in Moore, which does Vegas-styled revues with impersonators doing people like Dean Martin and the "Rat Pack," Elvis and James Brown, among others. Real wholesome Christian entertainment.

 

[wolfwint]

He misspelled it. It's the Revival for Christ Club in Moore, OK. It's a cult-like group led by "Chief Apostle" Timothy Vanover. The guy has been married three times and divorced twice. Many of their services are available on YouTube. A former member also did an interview about a year ago in which she describes the cult-like conditions within the group. Project Hope Podcast: S2 Ep. 3: Amanda Redwine on her experience with & exposure of 'Revival for Christ Club' and its leader, Timothy Vanover (audio only). Listen to the interview all the way to through to get all the details. Of course as in most cults, Vanover is getting rich while the rest have to fork over their cash to him. As Redwine describes it, it's a very insular group and they think that if you're not with them you're probably not even a Christian (another big warning sign).

They own the Yellow Rose Theater in Moore, which does Vegas-styled revues with impersonators doing people like Dean Martin and the "Rat Pack," Elvis and James Brown, among others. Real wholesome Christian entertainment.

Thank you for Information. It's Support my view from this whole thing.

 

[wolfwint]

No I mean an actual explanation not taking scripture out of context. What do you think he meant when he was saying this? he was talking about something else not this specific situation that is a generic response that can be applied to anything I could use the same for say speaking in tongues or the antichrist what about what happened makes you think satan had anything to do with it?


Re read my op and show me where satan came as an angel of light

You dont know what I am talking about from, right. ? That means that Satan and his helpers makes themselves so godly that it lookslike that their deeds and sayings are from God.
Again falling backward as a blessing you find in the NT not as an overwhelming result of the power of God ore the Holy Spirit.
You find it in occultism, pagan religions and in charismatic circles like you expierienced in this Church.
It looks like from God, but it is not!

 

[vassal]

@Blain if you really want to know, investigate about this pastor, inquire on how this person lives, then you will know. I do believe in miracles but I am certain this has nothing to to with the spirit.

Be careful.

 

[CherieR]

@Blain , I know I mentioned about you being forced to walk up there and from my interpretation of what you wrote, that's what I thought but I should have asked you first and confirmed whether or not that was the case. To which I say that is my mistake and I'm sorry.

 

[Edify]

It seems to me folks are searching for the absolute chaotic videos to try to prove something against Pentecostalism. This happens quite often on CC.
Another lie used is putting the Pentecostal movement(1906) and the charismatic movement(1967) together as if they are the same. THEY ARE NOT. Hillsong, Bethel, the NAR, & Vineyard are all charismatics.
Televangelists & other tv preachers say they're the same when they are not.
MacArthur, the cronies of his church & Justin Peters also put these two groups together in all of their writings & seminars. They also use televangelists for examples who are independents.
They use all the whacked out people in the charismatic movement to purposely accuse the Pentecostal movement of teaching false doctrine & living like the devil. They do that on purpose to turn others against them.
I've been a conservative Pentecostal for 45 years & have seen nothing of what the opponents claim.

 

[wolfwint]

It seems to me folks are searching for the absolute chaotic videos to try to prove something against Pentecostalism. This happens quite often on CC.
Another lie used is putting the Pentecostal movement(1906) and the charismatic movement(1967) together as if they are the same. THEY ARE NOT. Hillsong, Bethel, the NAR, & Vineyard are all charismatics.
Televangelists & other tv preachers say they're the same when they are not.
MacArthur, the cronies of his church & Justin Peters also put these two groups together in all of their writings & seminars. They also use televangelists for examples who are independents.
They use all the whacked out people in the charismatic movement to purposely accuse the Pentecostal movement of teaching false doctrine & living like the devil. They do that on purpose to turn others against them.
I've been a conservative Pentecostal for 45 years & have seen nothing of what the opponents claim.

Yes, the pentecostal and charismatic teachings came in different waves and there teachings are partwise different.
When the pentecostal teaching came to germany in 1907, the company signs were falling down, laughing out of controle, making voices like animals,
Signs which were we find later in the charismatic movements, too. Also is common the teaching about the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is in company with the gift of speaking in tounges as sign for it.
This is known as 2nd expierience/ for empowerment.
Some, like Oness pentecostal teach that without this baptism the believer is not saved. Others teach that an believer needs this baptism for the ministrie. So that without this baptism you lack an important part of be an follower of Christ. ( This was this was told me from different people, charismatics as well pentecostals.)
This creates in my eyes an first class and an 2nd class christianity. Nobody calls it so, but in my expieriences they treat me in this way.
Finaly the Lord will decides what is right ore not.

 

[Blain]

@Blain , I know I mentioned about you being forced to walk up there and from my interpretation of what you wrote, that's what I thought but I should have asked you first and confirmed whether or not that was the case. To which I say that is my mistake and I'm sorry.

no worries your fine

 

[Edify]

Yes, the pentecostal and charismatic teachings came in different waves and there teachings are partwise different.
When the pentecostal teaching came to germany in 1907, the company signs were falling down, laughing out of controle, making voices like animals,

Would like to see your source.

 

[CherieR]

no worries your fine

Thanks

 

[ResidentAlien]

There's no question that Pentecostalism came to Kassel, Germany in 1907. There also seems to be agreement that it was pretty disorderly. I doubt anyone could say for sure what went on unless they were there or had first-hand sources like newspaper reports from the period. Kassel was directly influenced by Azusa Street, so nothing would surprise me really. One thing's for sure, the Protestants in Germany at the time didn't want anything to do with it.

See Brill's Encyclopedia of Global Pentecostalism or European Pentecostalism: It's Origins, Development and Future by Paul Schmidgall.

 

[GWH]

It seems to me folks are searching for the absolute chaotic videos to try to prove something against Pentecostalism. This happens quite often on CC.
Another lie used is putting the Pentecostal movement(1906) and the charismatic movement(1967) together as if they are the same. THEY ARE NOT. Hillsong, Bethel, the NAR, & Vineyard are all charismatics.
Televangelists & other tv preachers say they're the same when they are not.
MacArthur, the cronies of his church & Justin Peters also put these two groups together in all of their writings & seminars. They also use televangelists for examples who are independents.
They use all the whacked out people in the charismatic movement to purposely accuse the Pentecostal movement of teaching false doctrine & living like the devil. They do that on purpose to turn others against them.
I've been a conservative Pentecostal for 45 years & have seen nothing of what the opponents claim.

I am glad you are a conservative rather than one of the radical Pentecostals, who view glossalalia (babbling) rather than love as the sign of being filled or baptized by the HS, which contradicts Paul's teachings.

I experienced conservative Charismaticism/Pentecostalism (which affirms the Pauline teaching that the fruit of the HS is the sign of being baptized into the body of Christ and filled with the love of Christ) when I served a church in Maryland.

Previous to that I had attended a Pentecostal tent meeting in Florida, where I was pushed by the pastor when I went forward in response to an invitation (but I failed to fall).

My perception is that the radical Pentecostals are not content with walking by faith, but rather they want to prove their faith via seeing miracles. Perhaps this is because their personalities are more impressed by exciting emotionalism (a la the Corinthians) than by logical reasoning (a la Paul, which is my preference :^)

 

[PAC-fit]

I am glad you are a conservative rather than one of the radical Pentecostals, who view glossalalia (babbling) rather than love, ,"

A gross mischaracterization. I don't know how many Pentecostal assemblies you have tarried with and for how long to tack on such an impression, corrections are no doubt agreed upon by the spiritually prudent, but I must say, it is snubs like that that are detrimental for us truly getting anywhere.

 

[lrs68]

What I know is this..
1. I read the Bible daily like my life depends upon it.

2. I am constantly in prayer whether it's my mind doing it in my thoughts or me doing it verbally.

3. I am mindful of God and abide by using the Bible as my guidance.

4. I witness whenever the opportunity presents itself.

5. I give whenever I have to give.


These are my principles to my Walk in God and my Ministry. As a Disciple of Yeshua my beliefs are directly in line with the Book of Acts. That makes me more in line with the Pentecostal and the Charismatic Movements but honestly I am separated and unilaterally Independent. I believe as Paul wrote the gifts will end when we see Yeshua face to face. I preach the Bible word for word but use modern day examples along with the already existing Biblical examples.

Now saying all of that, if the Spirit of God works in ways during my preaching and altar calls that I may be unaware of I trust God because I know I am going strictly by the Bible. And by allowing the Spirit of God to have freedom by not quenching I have witnessed the undescribable miraculous. I believe only a FOOL would stop the progress of God. And it's this stopping the progress of God that has led to the biggest decline in the Reformed Churches and have gained the numbers of those willing to let God be in control.

I am neither Pentecostal nor Charismatic but if God moves in similar ways I know in my services it's truly God moving and nothing else.

 

[GWH]

A gross mischaracterization. I don't know how many Pentecostal assemblies you have tarried with and for how long to tack on such an impression, corrections are no doubt agreed upon by the spiritually prudent, but I must say, it is snubs like that that are detrimental for us truly getting anywhere.

What was the "gross mischaracterization" or "snub" you (mistakenly) think I made? Your reference to "Pentecostal assemblies" rather than to "radical Pentecostals" gives me the impression (hope :^) that you misread what I said.

 

[Edify]

Yes, the pentecostal and charismatic teachings came in different waves and there teachings are partwise different.
When the pentecostal teaching came to germany in 1907, the company signs were falling down, laughing out of controle, making voices like animals,
Signs which were we find later in the charismatic movements, too. Also is common the teaching about the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is in company with the gift of speaking in tounges as sign for it.
This is known as 2nd expierience/ for empowerment.
Some, like Oness pentecostal teach that without this baptism the believer is not saved. Others teach that an believer needs this baptism for the ministrie. So that without this baptism you lack an important part of be an follower of Christ. ( This was this was told me from different people, charismatics as well pentecostals.)
This creates in my eyes an first class and an 2nd class christianity. Nobody calls it so, but in my expieriences they treat me in this way.
Finaly the Lord will decides what is right ore not.

Again, I would like to see your sources.

2 Corinthians 13:1 1This is the third time that I am coming to you. ON THE [a]TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY MATTER SHALL BE CONFIRMED.
KJV This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Since this is biblical for the church, it should be used with more witnesses from the world since they lie & parrot single sources.

A single news article won't cut it because haters of the church are everywhere.

So far, I have found only one that mentions holy laughter.
You will find that Vineyard, Bethel, & Hillsong do it, but they are predominately charismatic.

 

[Edify]

What no one seems to notice is the Pentecostal movement for decades was the fastest growing christian group in the world.
It only makes sense that as the Falling Away continues it's the biggest group showing the most falling preachers, churches, etc.
I'm not trying to excuse that, AAMOF I totally agree with it.

I also agree that charismatics are uniting with the RCC to universalize the church as one.
And why not? The charismatic movement were birthed by the RCC!
And ever since then calvinists & cessationists have been forcing both Pentecostals & charismatics together in all their writings & videos because their plot is to turn all denominations against Pentecostals for believing in Continuationism.
I don't know of a single cessationist that is NOT against Pentecostals, do you?

 

[lrs68]

It only makes sense that as the Falling Away continues it's the biggest group showing the most falling preachers, churches, etc.
I'm not trying to excuse that, AAMOF I totally agree with it.

I see someone is conveniently ignoring the list of 380 Pastors, Teachers, Leaders of the SBC accused and resulted in stepping down, prison sentences, Church decline, extreme Falling Away which caused quite the discord among the entire Baptist communities.

Just curious, what can a possible 12 to 20 televangelists do to the entire Pentecostal and Charismatic communities?

Surely not as much as 380

380 Southern Baptist leaders and volunteers accused of sexual misconduct
Feb 11, 2019

 

[Edify]

I see someone is conveniently ignoring the list of 380 Pastors, Teachers, Leaders of the SBC accused and resulted in stepping down, prison sentences, Church decline, extreme Falling Away which caused quite the discord among the entire Baptist communities.

Just curious, what can a possible 12 to 20 televangelists do to the entire Pentecostal and Charismatic communities?

Surely not as much as 380

380 Southern Baptist leaders and volunteers accused of sexual misconduct
Feb 11, 2019

Those 380 might have shocked thousands, but televangelists lead tens of millions away from God.

 

[lrs68]

Those 380 might have shocked thousands, but televangelists lead tens of millions away from God.

The unified congregations of 500 and smaller don't even know who the televangelists are nor could care less and they make up 99% of the Pentecostal Movement.