Understanding God’s election

[Magenta]

Romans 7:18-24a I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!

 

[brightfame52]

No, that's the character of God. Don't give me any of your false proof texts. The Bible tells us the character of God and that is not it

Your reasoning is in line with them who repliest against God

 

[Cameron143]

Agreed.

Your prior wrath premise then was that God, who laid out the rule of Law and Sin poured His wrath out upon Himself because humans nature, God's creation, needed to be redeemed by His sacrificing Himself so to free Elect humans from the Sin condition God predetermined to occur in the beginning.

The punctuation isn't that good so I may be agreeing to something you aren't meaning, but I think I agree.

 

[Cameron143]

Seriously, ridiculous.

Hardly. Anyone who has truly entered the throne room of God, like Isaiah, has been undone. They are aware of the thrice holiness of God, the heinous nature of their sin, and are moved to confession. Have you never has such an experience? Have you never been so burdened by your sin, and found, like Isaiah, that God relieves that burden once we are of a humble and contrite heart?

 

[HeIsHere]

Hardly. Anyone who has truly entered the throne room of God, like Isaiah, has been undone. They are aware of the thrice holiness of God, the heinous nature of their sin, and are moved to confession. Have you never has such an experience? Have you never been so burdened by your sin, and found, like Isaiah, that God relieves that burden once we are of a humble and contrite heart?

That is not the malevolence of God.

Holiness ≠ Malevolence

 

[lrs68]

They are aware of the thrice holiness of God, the heinous nature of their sin, and are moved to confession.

This is amusing since those who were in the literal throne room of God always states only 1 throne...j/s

I don't know how you can make such a statement even though we believe as such when they only describe 1 throne after being there.

Can you show me Isaiah and Ezekiel and others describing a Trinity together when they were there?

 

[HeIsHere]

Hardly. Anyone who has truly entered the throne room of God, like Isaiah, has been undone. They are aware of the thrice holiness of God, the heinous nature of their sin, and are moved to confession. Have you never has such an experience? Have you never been so burdened by your sin, and found, like Isaiah, that God relieves that burden once we are of a humble and contrite heart?

Your dualistic view of god "good and intense ill will" is very concerning.

 

[Mem]

I would hope that people are at least able to acknowledge what
the Bible actually says

Isn't it apparent that this is exactly what the discussions are about though.

 

[Magenta]

Isn't it apparent that this is exactly what the discussions are about though.

The discussions cover a wide range... and some can barely bring themselves to acknowledge what Scripture
actually says. And there are those too who outright deny what is said. Yes, a wide range indeed. We also
have those who add to what is said and then refuse to admit their additions are not part of the text.

 

[Cameron143]

That is not the malevolence of God.

Holiness ≠ Malevolence

Holiness demands wrath for offenders. All sin is against God because, as law giver, He is the offended party. And no sin is forgiven unless it is atoned for. So you are correct that holiness is not malevolence. But it is the holiness of God that leads to wrath against unrepentant sinners.

 

[Mem]

The discussions cover a wide range... and some can barely bring themselves to acknowledge what Scripture
actually says. And there are those too who outright deny what is said. Yes, a wide range indeed. We also
have those who add to what is said and then refuse to admit their additions are not part of the text.

The fruit is in this vine particular vineyard but nonetheless refreshing when they are found, maybe even more so when finding them growing in such hostile conditions.

 

[Cameron143]

This is amusing since those who were in the literal throne room of God always states only 1 throne...j/s

I don't know how you can make such a statement even though we believe as such when they only describe 1 throne after being there.

Can you show me Isaiah and Ezekiel and others describing a Trinity together when they were there?

The thrice holiness of God simply refers to the angels praising God...holy, holy, holy. It has nothing to do with whether the trinity exists or not.
Hebrews 4 has an invitation for believers to join God in His throne room. Have you ever been?

 

[Magenta]

The fruit is in this vine particular vineyard but nonetheless refreshing when they are
found, maybe even more so when finding them growing in such hostile conditions.

With those who show themselves to be extremely hostile I do as Scripture says. It occurred to me the other day that this thread is very similar to what the Not By Works thread was like, which was the longest running and most populous thread here for some time. It does still pop up from time to time, but since the OP was banned over four years ago, it has subsided substantially, while standing at 7692 pages. Many were they who were confused on the issue, but were greatly helped by those who stood for the truth of the matter. How times flies...

 

[Magenta]

The thrice holiness of God simply refers to the angels praising God...holy,
holy, holy. It has nothing to do with whether the trinity exists or not.
Hebrews 4 has an invitation for believers to join God in His throne room. Have you ever been?

I understood what you meant...

 

[Cameron143]

Your dualistic view of god "good and intense ill will" is very concerning.

Only to those with poor doctrine.

 

[Cameron143]

I understood what you meant...

Hair triggers today it appears.

 

[Rufus]

God did what He had to do to bring Christ Jesus into the world.

How about you focus on Him, maybe then will understand that God has suffered all for His creation.

Take your own advice and focus on "Him" through the scriptures. I cited several instances whereby God had ZERO interest in providing any opportunity for salvation to numerous people in both the OT and NT. So, this wrecks the stupid FWT narrative that portrays God as an equal opportunity employer.

And explain to me how Jesus could have died for each and every person in the world when Mat 7:23 tells us that he's going to tell people on Judgment Day that "I never knew you"! Explain to me how Jesus died for people he never knew even before the foundation of the world! That should be a humorous word salad coming from you. I can hardly wait!

 

[Mem]

With those who show themselves to be extremely hostile I do as Scripture says. It occurred to me the other day that this thread is very similar to what the Not By Works thread was like, which was the longest running and most populous thread here for some time. It does still pop up from time to time, but since the OP was banned over four years ago, it has subsided substantially, while standing at 7692 pages. Many were they who were confused on the issue, but were greatly helped by those who stood for the truth of the matter. How times flies...

I think it's a safe bet that everyone is compelled to do what they do because they think it is what God wants of them. Paul for example must've believed he was doing God a service during his campaign of Christian persecution.

 

[lrs68]

The thrice holiness of God simply refers to the angels praising God...holy, holy, holy. It has nothing to do with whether the trinity exists or not.
Hebrews 4 has an invitation for believers to join God in His throne room. Have you ever been?

Amen, Holy Holy Holy is the LORD GOD!

 

[Magenta]

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I think it's a safe bet that everyone is compelled to do what they do because they think it is what God wants of them. Paul for example must've believed he was doing God a service during his campaign of Christian persecution.

Whatever the truth of the matter I'm sure we all have our reasons... Speaking of Paul, I have wondered if he realized he was writing Scripture at the time that he wrote the letters that are now considered to be Scripture... I know that some of the other apostles did consider his writings to be Scripture...