The one and the same or not?

[SpeakWhatYouSee]

Genesis 22:12 says, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for...NOW... I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me”.

HOWEVER:.....

Matthew 26:34 in the Bible says, "Truly I tell you, this very night, before the rooster crows, you... WILL...disown me three times".

How is it in Genesis, the passage reads that the all knowing God appears unsure as to whether Abraham will follow his command when tested, but in Matthew, Jesus is clearly able to know what Peter will do in the future?

Explanation/s please.

 

[Blain]

I think God knew Abrahams heart I think he said what he did for Abrahams benefit if God being all knowing had to say something like that to an unknowing beiong there can only be one side that benefits from said words

 

[BobCarabbio]

How is it in Genesis, the passage reads that the all knowing God appears unsure as to whether Abraham will follow his command

what maes you thing that God was "Unsure"??? His words were only confirmation for Abraham's sake. You're trying to CREATE problems where there are none.

Why Did God ask ADAM IF he'd eaten of the tree. when He'd been watching the whole time???

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

God knew what Abe would do. It's a story

 

[Eli1]

I betcha $500 that this will turn into another free will vs no free will debate.
Elect vs Non Elect.
Calvinism vs the world.

 

[bluto]

Genesis 22:12 says, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for...NOW... I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me”.

HOWEVER:.....

Matthew 26:34 in the Bible says, "Truly I tell you, this very night, before the rooster crows, you... WILL...disown me three times".

How is it in Genesis, the passage reads that the all knowing God appears unsure as to whether Abraham will follow his command when tested, but in Matthew, Jesus is clearly able to know what Peter will do in the future?

Explanation/s please.

I think your making more out of this than is necessary! The simple answer is that God tested Abraham to see if he would take God's word over his own reason, thus proving that the sacrifice was already satisfied in Abraham's heart. Now I have a question for you? Genesis 22:11 says, "But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, "Abraham, Abraham, and he said, Here I am." Who do you think the angel of the Lord is? And why is the angel of the Lord calling out of heaven here at vs11 and at vs15? Why does not the text say that "God called out from the heavens?

In Him,
bluto

 

[BillyBob]

I betcha $500 that this will turn into another free will vs no free will debate.
Elect vs Non Elect.
Calvinism vs the world.

If it does, let it be known that you started it!

 

[Blain]

I betcha $500 that this will turn into another free will vs no free will debate.
Elect vs Non Elect.
Calvinism vs the world.

Well that does seem to be the popular theme here it get quite exhausting

 

[BillyBob]

Genesis 22:12 says, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for...NOW... I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me”.

HOWEVER:.....

Matthew 26:34 in the Bible says, "Truly I tell you, this very night, before the rooster crows, you... WILL...disown me three times".

How is it in Genesis, the passage reads that the all knowing God appears unsure as to whether Abraham will follow his command when tested, but in Matthew, Jesus is clearly able to know what Peter will do in the future?

Explanation/s please.

God has provided us with everything we need to know at this time. But once we see Him face to face all things will be revealed............
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

 

[maxwel]

I betcha $500 that this will turn into another free will vs no free will debate.
Elect vs Non Elect.
Calvinism vs the world.

Mmmm... this seems headed to an open theism debate.

(Open theism IS used as a proof for free will, but no TRADITIONAL Christians, on either side of the free will debate, believe in open theism... as it mangles the perfect attributes of God.)

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[maxwel]

How is it in Genesis, the passage reads that the all knowing God appears unsure as to whether Abraham will follow his command when tested,

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A.) Whenever dealing with tricky or UNCLEAR passages, we always need to refer to more CLEAR passages to establish a baseline.
B.) There are many passages making it clear that God knows all things, and there is nothing unknown to him.
C.) So if our doctrinal baseline, from clear passages, is that God knows all things... then this interpretation of Genesis 22:12 (questioning God's foreknowledge) must be an interpretation that's in error.

God knows all things.
But God does use anthropomorphisms, and various figures of speech, in order to teach and communicate with us mortals.

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[posthuman]

Genesis 22:12 says, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for...NOW... I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me”.

HOWEVER:.....

Matthew 26:34 in the Bible says, "Truly I tell you, this very night, before the rooster crows, you... WILL...disown me three times".

How is it in Genesis, the passage reads that the all knowing God appears unsure as to whether Abraham will follow his command when tested, but in Matthew, Jesus is clearly able to know what Peter will do in the future?

Explanation/s please.

God knows all things at all times.

you should not be asking why it seems like He doesn't, but why He said to Abraham exactly what He said, because what He said was absolutely perfect.

 

[posthuman]

I betcha $500 that this will turn into another free will vs no free will debate.
Elect vs Non Elect.
Calvinism vs the world.

my money is on this turns into "women should not wear pants"

 

[John146]

anthropomorphisms

Another man made term to explain away the clear reading of scripture.

“There’s no way the scripture means what it states. There must be an explanation to align with my theology.“

 

[John146]

God knows all things at all times.

you should not be asking why it seems like He doesn't, but why He said to Abraham exactly what He said, because what He said was absolutely perfect.

Maybe there are future things that are not knowledge until the decision is made, and then and only then does it become known of God. Maybe God has chosen to work within the timeframe and free will that he has given to man.

 

[John146]

Genesis 22:12 says, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for...NOW... I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me”.

HOWEVER:.....

Matthew 26:34 in the Bible says, "Truly I tell you, this very night, before the rooster crows, you... WILL...disown me three times".

How is it in Genesis, the passage reads that the all knowing God appears unsure as to whether Abraham will follow his command when tested, but in Matthew, Jesus is clearly able to know what Peter will do in the future?

Explanation/s please.

God was testing Abraham to know if he feared God by asking him to sacrifice his son. As Abraham was going to sacrifice his son, God stepped in because he now knew Abraham feared God.

 

[Cranberry]

Well that does seem to be the popular theme here it get quite exhausting

Anti-Calvanism addiction is like the old hammer fixation. For someone use to being a hammer,driving theirs and everyone else's lives and opinions, the whole world appears full of nails.

Besides,denigrating someones Exegesis with the charge of Calvanist,Calvinism, then precludes the accuser from having to example a superior more informed Exegesis to that.
Which is the intent.

That being said, Abraham in the OP made the choice God foreknew. However, Abraham made that from a conviction of heart he would not have known until that sacrifice test.

God foreknew and fire knows all things. Which is why there was a proper sacrifice caught up in the bush after God prevented the death of Isaac.

Man plans his way but God sets our steps.

 

[posthuman]

Maybe there are future things that are not knowledge until the decision is made, and then and only then does it become known of God. Maybe God has chosen to work within the timeframe and free will that he has given to man.

maybe khakis are fine for everyone

 

[Mem]

for...NOW... I know

It seems that you have highlighted the PRESENT answer. God is ever present and so it shouldn't be odd that He operates in the present moment. But that doesn't mean that He didn't now until NOW, but rather just putting an emphasis on the exact moment that He had already known of.

 

[maxwel]

Another man made term to explain away the clear reading of scripture.

“There’s no way the scripture means what it states. There must be an explanation to align with my theology.“

Metaphorical Language:

You seem to have a dislike for the term anthropomorphism, and for the idea of metaphorical language in general.

So when Christ said, "I am the door"... did that mean he had hinges and a doorknob?



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