Understanding God’s election
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Explaining something isn't pushing something aside. There is a difference between responses made from revelation outside oneself and from within oneself. That you don't understand the difference is actually sad. How can you possibly know what you are hearing comes from your natural senses or from the Holy Spirit?
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Calvinists persist in arguing from the spiritual maternity ward.
We who believe in Jesus Christ are all saved!
Deal with it!
Now... how we got saved?
That's all they can talk about!
And they keep building themselves up in their mutual pride instead of continuous growing in grace and truth to discover
what life is to be had after being born again. What God is having in store for those who love Him!
They, in effect, become like weights on our ankles of those who walk in an ever-growing faith!
They get thrown into the expedition as to try to slow down believers on their journey into discovering
more and more of God's Truth in the frontier God places us in on earth.
They should have been left behind with the women and children.
We who believe in Jesus Christ are all saved!
Deal with it!
Now... how we got saved?
That's all they can talk about!
And they keep building themselves up in their mutual pride instead of continuous growing in grace and truth to discover
what life is to be had after being born again. What God is having in store for those who love Him!
They, in effect, become like weights on our ankles of those who walk in an ever-growing faith!
They get thrown into the expedition as to try to slow down believers on their journey into discovering
more and more of God's Truth in the frontier God places us in on earth.
They should have been left behind with the women and children.
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Tell that to the Philippian jailer. He could care less about plumbing the depths of esoteric Calvinite dogma.
In fact he nor his family had time to have their brains scrambled with that sort of nonsense. And thank God for that.
[Act 16:31 NKJV]
So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."
[Act 16:33 NKJV]
And he took them the same hour of the night and washed [their] stripes. And immediately he and all his [family] were baptized.
In fact he nor his family had time to have their brains scrambled with that sort of nonsense. And thank God for that.
[Act 16:31 NKJV]
So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."
[Act 16:33 NKJV]
And he took them the same hour of the night and washed [their] stripes. And immediately he and all his [family] were baptized.
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Hmmm.
Jesus states that He builds His church based on the revelation of the Father as to His identity. To be saved, one must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the substance of saving faith. But you say one believes before they know what it is they are to believe. And that sounds right to you?
Jesus states that He builds His church based on the revelation of the Father as to His identity. To be saved, one must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the substance of saving faith. But you say one believes before they know what it is they are to believe. And that sounds right to you?
No, it does not make God responsible! While God decreed the penalty for sin (i.e. death), He did not cause Adam to sin. Adam is fully responsible since he is the federal head of the human race, and Adam, unlike any of his progeny, was indeed completely free to choose to trust or not trust God since he was not encumbered with a sin nature or corrupt heart. UNLIKE any of us, Adam was totally free FROM sinful influences from within.
Furthermore, if you're going to blame the Doctrines of Grace for making God morally responsible for the Fall, then how does your FWT let you off the hook? God tested Adam for righteousness and he did this by sending the evil one to the planet to tempt man. Didn't God know what the outcome would be of that temptation? If so, why didn't God prevent the Fall? Wasn't he powerful enough? Wasn't he powerful enough to prevent Abimelech from violating Sarah? Since he protected Sarah against an evildoer, why didn't he protect Eve from the evil one?
Furthermore, if you're going to blame the Doctrines of Grace for making God morally responsible for the Fall, then how does your FWT let you off the hook? God tested Adam for righteousness and he did this by sending the evil one to the planet to tempt man. Didn't God know what the outcome would be of that temptation? If so, why didn't God prevent the Fall? Wasn't he powerful enough? Wasn't he powerful enough to prevent Abimelech from violating Sarah? Since he protected Sarah against an evildoer, why didn't he protect Eve from the evil one?
Did God not design/create the nature of the fallen state you adhere to? ..... or was it random consequence of which He had no knowledge?
You make inability the central reason for people not being able to respond to the Gospel message and yet you are unwilling to acknowledge that the fallen nature must also be God's design.
You make inability the central reason for people not being able to respond to the Gospel message and yet you are unwilling to acknowledge that the fallen nature must also be God's design.
No I don't.
You just don't like the ramifications of the argument.
Jesus clearly says that He builds His church on the basis of revelation from the Father that He is the Christ.
Individuals can come to this understanding apart from the revelation of God.
Thus, human reasoning isn't the cause of saving faith; revelation is.
The world by wisdom knows not God.
You just don't like the ramifications of the argument.
Jesus clearly says that He builds His church on the basis of revelation from the Father that He is the Christ.
Individuals can come to this understanding apart from the revelation of God.
Thus, human reasoning isn't the cause of saving faith; revelation is.
The world by wisdom knows not God.
You are correct that the Calvinites to not have any such "central reason".
What they DO have is shells and peas and moving goalposts.
And boy do they have contempt and hatred for the unsaved. Their incessant Israel (elder brother) bashing is the tell.
And come to think of it what does the Scripture say about hating your brother?
What they DO have is shells and peas and moving goalposts.
And boy do they have contempt and hatred for the unsaved. Their incessant Israel (elder brother) bashing is the tell.
And come to think of it what does the Scripture say about hating your brother?
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