Understanding God’s election

[Genez]

I now have a very serious question to ask all you guys who subscribe to FreeWill Theology (hereafter FWT).

Arminians subscribe to Free Will theology.
Not everyone who rejects TULIP are Arminian.

 

[Genez]

That's the problem...you believe there are sides.

And... Some are coy instigators.

 

[Rufus]

You pseudo-philosophical ranting and raving is utterly useless.
Why? Because you CHOOSE to deny the clear Biblical teaching that is readily available and unequivocal.

REAL CHOICES are being made by men day in and day out.
The nutter Calvinite philosophy demands that CHOOSING low fat yogurt at the grocery store is something that God has pre-programmed along with everything else.

Furthermore, God NEVER forces ANYONE to enter into ANY covenant with Him. It is beneath His dignity, and would validate the lies of Satan.

[2Ki 6:5 NKJV]
But as one was cutting down a tree, the iron [ax head] fell into the water; and he cried out and said, "Alas, master! For it was borrowed."

[2Ki 6:6 NKJV]
So the man of God said, "Where did it fall?" And he showed him the place. So he cut off a stick, and threw [it] in there; and he made the iron float.

[2Ki 6:7 NKJV]
Therefore he said, "Pick [it] up for yourself." So he reached out his hand and took it.

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[Gen 4:7 NKJV]
"If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire [is] for you, but you should rule over it."

Two things: First, It is crystal clear to me that the Doctrines of Grace cause you much angst and subsequent anger. The majority of your posts, sadly, reveal the root of bitterness within your soul. This no doubt accounts for why you obviously wanted no part of the mutually beneficial covenant to both sides of the election issue that I proposed last night.

Secondly, as is your custom, you avoid addressing the specific subject of posts and just take the opportunity to insult and lash out at others, and to post irrelevant scriptures that have nothing to do with the specific question I asked in my 5554. I want no further part of your narcissism and abrasive spirit. Go vent your anger, frustration and bitterness on someone else. I am done with you.

Have a good evening, sir.

 

[Genez]

Two things: First, It is crystal clear to me that the Doctrines of Grace cause you much angst and subsequent anger. .

That is a normal reaction when one sees someone brutally denying the Lord by distorting His nature.

 

[cv5]

Two things: First, It is crystal clear to me that the Doctrines of Grace cause you much angst and subsequent anger. The majority of your posts, sadly, reveal the root of bitterness within your soul. This no doubt accounts for why you obviously wanted no part of the mutually beneficial covenant to both sides of the election issue that I proposed last night.

Secondly, as is your custom, you avoid addressing the specific subject of posts and just take the opportunity to insult and lash out at others, and to post irrelevant scriptures that have nothing to do with the specific question I asked in my 5554. I want no further part of your narcissism and abrasive spirit. Go vent your anger, frustration and bitterness on someone else. I am done with you.

Have a good evening, sir.

Oh but should I feel terrible now at your scathing (and ignorant) rebuke?
I have news for you: I don't. Not even a little bit.

But rave on. Its your CHOICE. Right?
Or does God have his hand up the back of your shirt making you chatter like a ventriloquist's dummy?

 

[cv5]

Shouldn't you be praying to the person who is actually in control of their spiritual destiny? Shouldn't you be directing your prayers to the ones who actually make the difference?

Here you go genius. Figure it out for yourself.
Whether or not you can unscramble that omelet of a brain of yours I cannot say, but if you are WILLING to make the CHOICE to TRY and
OVERCOME your pitiful condition by all means do so.

[Gen 32:24 KJV]
And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.

[Gen 32:25 KJV]
And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.

[Gen 32:26 KJV]
And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.

[Gen 32:27 KJV]
And he said unto him, What [is] thy name? And he said, Jacob.

[Gen 32:28 KJV]
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

 

[cv5]

That is a normal reaction when one sees someone brutally denying the Lord by distorting His nature.

Looks like the losers have beat a hasty retreat.
This is to be expected.

 

[Genez]

Looks like the losers have beat a hasty retreat.
This is to be expected.

Look at how Paul failed.
Look at how Peter failed...

No one is a loser until they physically die having refused corrections before they did.

 

[Inquisitor]

Okay, I have no problem with those scriptures.

I have a problem.

Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect

Israel was grafted out, severed from the olive tree because of unbelief.

How can Israel be elect?

 

[Cameron143]

And... Some are coy instigators.

And some are blatant about it. Some are both.

 

[Inquisitor]

Look at how Paul failed.
Look at how Peter failed...

No one is a loser until they physically die having refused corrections before they did.

1 Corinthians 2:1
And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

The gospel is what matters above all.

For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

I wonder if the Institutes of the Christian Religion would be lofty speech or wisdom?

Do you know why Paul said the following?

For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Paul had learned the hard way what happens when you add to the gospel.

 

[Inquisitor]

How does your post prove your point? Did God choose pigs or cows or horses to serve him? Of course not! He chose specific individuals! Service to God has from the very beginning been the call to mankind.

A donkey I remember!

 

[Genez]

And some are blatant about it. Some are both.

OK.... As long as you got the message.

 

[Genez]

1 Corinthians 2:1
And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

The gospel is what matters above all.

For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

I wonder if the Institutes of the Christian Religion would be lofty speech or wisdom?

Do you know why Paul said the following?

For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Paul had learned the hard way what happens when you add to the gospel.

OK....

 

[Inquisitor]

Oh my - you're ducking and trying to obfuscate the intent of 1:2! You can't actually believe it is "aimed at" the nation of Israel (unless you mean spiritual Israel). I realize you are easily confused but try to read these verses closely. 1.2 clearly tells us Peter is addressing the ELECT, not Israel. You should have been able to ascertain that and the intent of 1:2 for yourself simply by reading it closely.

[1Pe 1:1-2 KJV]
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1
To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia...

Peter is an apostle to the Jews, to Israel, elect or non-elect.

God foreknew Israel (O.T) before He knew the Gentiles (N.T) nations.

 

[Genez]

1 Peter 1
To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia...

Peter is an apostle to the Jews, to Israel, elect or non-elect.

God foreknew Israel (O.T) before He knew the Gentiles (N.T) nations.

Why do they argue over this ?

Are they under the impression they are the replacement of God's chosen, Israel?

Are we dealing with dominion theology?

 

[cv5]

Look at how Paul failed.
Look at how Peter failed...

No one is a loser until they physically die having refused corrections before they did.

Losing the argument is my point.
I mean how are you going to win when you are dead wrong from the beginning?

[Gen 2:16 KJV]
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[Gen 2:17 KJV]
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

[cv5]

1 Peter 1
To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia...

Peter is an apostle to the Jews, to Israel, elect or non-elect.

God foreknew Israel (O.T) before He knew the Gentiles (N.T) nations.

God is outside of time and the creator of time. Only He alone exists in the eternal present ("I AM").
Our notions of a linear progression of things are from our perspective (we who have a beginning), and for our benefit.

Israel is the "elder/firstborn brother" and we are the "younger brother".
Israel does indeed hold a certain precedent as "elder/firstborn brother", despite the nonsensical protestations of many.

[Rom 1:16 KJV]
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

[Rom 2:9 KJV]
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

[Rom 2:10 KJV]
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

 

[Cameron143]

OK.... As long as you got the message.

Still no self awareness.
Grace and peace.

 

[Genez]

Still no self awareness.
Grace and peace.

Mom told me if I hit you again I will get in big trouble.