Key OT Teachings

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GWH

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In this thread I invite discussion of teachings that are encountered as one KISSes the OT from Genesis to Malachi. I say KISSed, because my intent is NOT to summarize historical or descriptive sections, but only mine them for significant and prescriptive material.

For example, Genesis 1:1-3 begins with “God created the heavens and the earth” by saying “Let there be…”, which indicates that the supernatural world manifests the Word of God in an impersonal way.

As Paul teaches in RM 1:20, “Since the creation of the world, God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

And John says in JN 1:14, “The Word became flesh [human] and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

The scientific “big bang” theory regarding the origin of the universe is quite compatible with the biblical story, theorizing that just before the beginning all matter in the universe was compressed to a “singularity”.

The point of GN is not how the world was created or how long it took, but who created it and why. It is concerned with metaphysics rather than mere physics.

Are there any other comments on GN 1:1-3, and if not, would someone like to lead discussion of the next key topic that would seem to be found in GN 1:4-25?
 

The_Parson

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Interesting layout for a study. What version are you personally using by the way?
 

GWH

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Interesting layout for a study. What version are you personally using by the way?
I am using the NIV and the "fully revised" NIV. Feel free to comment or lead, although if y'all are shy I will keep on sharing. :^)
 

GRACE_ambassador

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Are there any other comments on GN 1:1-3,
Yes, why the Division in the Very First Verse Of The Word Of Truth?:

"In The Beginning God Created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1 AV)​

Why not simply "created One universe"? Does God have Two Different Purposes - one for the
earth, and the other For Heaven? Some of us believe so...

This may have an impact on how we study, preparing For Judgment Day, eh?:

Amen.

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More examples here:

Basic Distinctions (14 +) Of [ earthly ] Prophecy vs { Heavenly } Mystery!
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Update/Additions #’s: (19) (20) (21) (22) (23)
 

GWH

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Yes, why the Division in the Very First Verse Of The Word Of Truth?:

"In The Beginning God Created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1 AV)​

Why not simply "created One universe"? Does God have Two Different Purposes - one for the
earth, and the other For Heaven? Some of us believe so...

This may have an impact on how we study, preparing For Judgment Day, eh?:

Amen.

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More examples here:

Basic Distinctions (14 +) Of [ earthly ] Prophecy vs { Heavenly } Mystery!
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Update/Additions #’s: (19) (20) (21) (22) (23)
The main division in GN 1 is between the Creator and the creation.

Why was creation created? For that we read the rest of GN 1.

There is no reason to believe that the “days” in GN 1 must refer to 24 hour periods, because 2PT 2:8 says “With the Lord a day is like a thousand [or a billion] years”, so it is permissible to believe God created the world using whatever methods taking however long scientific data seem to support.

GN 1:27. God created man in his own image, male and female. Here we have the equality of the sexes expressed 3,000 years ago, because the word “image” obviously refers to God’s personality rather than to sexuality. Essential equality is confirmed in GN 2:22 by Eve’s creation from Adam’s rib or side to be his partner rather than from his foot to be his slave. Although all of Jesus’ twelve apostles were male, many of his disciples were female, and Paul writes (in GL 3:38), “There is neither… male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” In EPH 5:21, Paul added “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.”

Again, current scientific theory based on genetic research is that humanity descended from one couple in Africa about 50,000 years ago, which is compatible with the biblical story of Adam and Eve, which has two accounts, neither of which is meant to be scientific or historical (explaining how and when), but rather theological and moral (explaining Who and why): God is Creator and people are sinners.
 

GWH

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I thought someone might object to me citing science as a source along with the story of A&E for understanding humanity, but seeing none I will move on to GN 2:24. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh”.

This indicates that marriage is a spiritual union of one man and one wife, not merely a ceremony or legal contract. Jesus quoted this verse and added “So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.” (MT 19:4-6)

The only relationship in which sexual intercourse is appropriate or moral is marriage; extramarital sex is the sin of fornication, which is akin to the sin of pornography (cf. GL 5:19, RM 1:27).

Also, because divorce is wrong, the only moral option for a married couple is to work to be happy rather than be miserable and become spiritually divorced, and if happiness is not achieved, it would have been better not to marry (cf. MT 19:8-10).
 

JaumeJ

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Would the following quote refer to a BANG?

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Praise God!
 
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In this thread I invite discussion of teachings that are encountered as one KISSes the OT from Genesis to Malachi. I say KISSed, because my intent is NOT to summarize historical or descriptive sections, but only mine them for significant and prescriptive material.

For example, Genesis 1:1-3 begins with “God created the heavens and the earth” by saying “Let there be…”, which indicates that the supernatural world manifests the Word of God in an impersonal way.

As Paul teaches in RM 1:20, “Since the creation of the world, God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

And John says in JN 1:14, “The Word became flesh [human] and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

The scientific “big bang” theory regarding the origin of the universe is quite compatible with the biblical story, theorizing that just before the beginning all matter in the universe was compressed to a “singularity”.

The point of GN is not how the world was created or how long it took, but who created it and why. It is concerned with metaphysics rather than mere physics.

Are there any other comments on GN 1:1-3, and if not, would someone like to lead discussion of the next key topic that would seem to be found in GN 1:4-25?
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. -- Genesis 1:1-3 (CSB)

20 For his invisible attributes, that is, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what he has made. As a result, people are without excuse. -- Romans 1:20 (CSB)

14 The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We observed his glory, the glory as the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. -- John 1:14 (CSB)

You added a great lot of words to the Bible instead of just posting what God said in His Word.

Science's reasoning for Creation is simply against what the Lord said in His word, they do not agree and the believers of either doctrine do not agree and would not be able to have a long conversation on the Matter.

Genesis is never concerned with the word you used, it is Concerned with edifying Partakers of Christianity with what our God did and how HE did it. The world Manifested because the Son of God told it to. Jehovah spoke, and thus it was, just as the Father of Spirits taught Him.

All Right, Yes, Yea the Amen.
 
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Yes, compared with what atheist astronomers hoped would be discovered: the universe will stop expanding and collapse back into another singularity, which would be more compatible with the view that such oscillating was eternal.
We peacefully disagree with those who do not believe in the Christian God and would love to edify you.
 
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Would the following quote refer to a BANG?

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Praise God!
That is a Powerfull Testimony there JaumeJ, That would be a GREAT NOISE, a bang surely would be less than such a Great noise as this, would you agree family?
 
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I thought someone might object to me citing science as a source along with the story of A&E for understanding humanity, but seeing none I will move on to GN 2:24. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh”.

This indicates that marriage is a spiritual union of one man and one wife, not merely a ceremony or legal contract. Jesus quoted this verse and added “So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.” (MT 19:4-6)

The only relationship in which sexual intercourse is appropriate or moral is marriage; extramarital sex is the sin of fornication, which is akin to the sin of pornography (cf. GL 5:19, RM 1:27).

Also, because divorce is wrong, the only moral option for a married couple is to work to be happy rather than be miserable and become spiritually divorced, and if happiness is not achieved, it would have been better not to marry (cf. MT 19:8-10).
Marriage is not a Spiritual union. The Lord never said the two become married, the Lord said the two become One flesh. Many people today are disorderly and are One flesh without being Married. I am guilty of this crime and working in this time to correct it with the One who I first became One flesh is.

This was thousands of years ago, there is much better order on the Earth this day. In America Marriage is a thing ordered by the Higher Powers that are the Police force and Government of Pay, In Our time, One ought to get married by LAW before they lay together, or they simply lay together out of order, which is what I myself am going through and on my way to fulfilling what God said to do when that happens:

16 ¶ And if a man entice a maide that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. -- Exodus 22:16 (1611 King James)

I am on the Journey to winning back the heart of the maide that I first lied with as the Lord revealed to me everything in my life started going through Spirituall affliction Less than a decade ago when I first laid with the wife of my Bosom and left her due to very ignorant reasons.
 

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GN 1:27. God created man in his own image, male and female. Here we have the equality of the sexes expressed 3,000 years ago, because the word “image” obviously refers to God’s personality rather than to sexuality. Essential equality is confirmed in GN 2:22 by Eve’s creation from Adam’s rib or side to be his partner rather than from his foot to be his slave. Although all of Jesus’ twelve apostles were male, many of his disciples were female, and Paul writes (in GL 3:38), “There is neither… male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” In EPH 5:21, Paul added “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.”

Genesis 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” (ezer kenegdo explanation):)
 
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Genesis 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” (ezer kenegdo explanation):)
O Lord, we disagree with the words after Genesis 2:18. You forget about latter Scriptures my Sister.

16 He said to the woman:
I will intensify your labor pains;
you will bear children with painful effort.
Your desire will be for your husband,
yet he will rule over you. -- Genesis 3:16 (CSB)

Here God tells the First Woman that her curse is that she will suffer labor pains, and she will desire her lord yet her lord will rule over her.

There is more

3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of Christ. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with something on his head dishonors his head. 5 Every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since that is one and the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman doesn’t cover her head, she should have her hair cut off. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her head be covered. 7 A man should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God. So too, woman is the glory of man. -- 1 Corinthians 11:3-7 (CSB)

God is not man, woman is part of man even her title Woman is has part man amongst it. Be mindfull my sister there are Spirits out here seeking to cause woman to rebel against the Order of God.
1. The Father of Spirits
2. Christ the Almighty
3. Adam
4. Chauah
 

GWH

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Would the following quote refer to a BANG?

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Praise God!
Certainly sounds like it! (pun intended :LOL: ) And what a fitting bookend to GN 1:3 that would be! (rhyme intended :sneaky: )
 

JaumeJ

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Elohanu is Spirit, and would be worshiped in spirit and in truth, both Jesus Yeshua.

God shared with Moses that He would be What He would be. For me, though it is yet a mystery, by faith I must believe this to be true, God will be the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. No I cannot grasp this in its entirety, but I certainly believe it.

Last night on my pipllow I was thinking how we will be mad just like Jesus Yeshua, and the Son and the Father are One. It seemed to me that all of us, together by the Holy Spirit will be together with them forever.

Then when we read how we are made in His image, man and woman alike, Gns., we see that we do not see, at least not in the flesh, but the wonder is yet to come. We simply have roles while in this fleeting thing called creation.

Blessed be the Day when we are all given to truly understand. Then we will not just believe, we will KNOW, praise Yah, amen.
 

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1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. -- Genesis 1:1-3 (CSB)

20 For his invisible attributes, that is, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what he has made. As a result, people are without excuse. -- Romans 1:20 (CSB)

14 The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We observed his glory, the glory as the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. -- John 1:14 (CSB)

You added a great lot of words to the Bible instead of just posting what God said in His Word.

Science's reasoning for Creation is simply against what the Lord said in His word, they do not agree and the believers of either doctrine do not agree and would not be able to have a long conversation on the Matter.

Genesis is never concerned with the word you used, it is Concerned with edifying Partakers of Christianity with what our God did and how HE did it. The world Manifested because the Son of God told it to. Jehovah spoke, and thus it was, just as the Father of Spirits taught Him.

All Right, Yes, Yea the Amen.
All I added was:

The scientific “big bang” theory regarding the origin of the universe is quite compatible with the biblical story, theorizing that just before the beginning all matter in the universe was compressed to a “singularity”.

The point of GN is not how the world was created or how long it took, but who created it and why. It is concerned with metaphysics rather than mere physics.

What is wrong (contradicts Scripture) with that? YOU just added:

Science's reasoning for Creation is simply against what the Lord said in His word, they do not agree and the believers of either doctrine do not agree and would not be able to have a long conversation on the Matter.

Genesis is never concerned with the word you used, it is Concerned with edifying Partakers of Christianity with what our God did and how HE did it. The world Manifested because the Son of God told it to. Jehovah spoke, and thus it was, just as the Father of Spirits taught Him.

Shouldn't you practice what you preach? (Which is: just post what God said in His Word without adding words to the Bible.)
 

Pilgrimshope

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In this thread I invite discussion of teachings that are encountered as one KISSes the OT from Genesis to Malachi. I say KISSed, because my intent is NOT to summarize historical or descriptive sections, but only mine them for significant and prescriptive material.

For example, Genesis 1:1-3 begins with “God created the heavens and the earth” by saying “Let there be…”, which indicates that the supernatural world manifests the Word of God in an impersonal way.

As Paul teaches in RM 1:20, “Since the creation of the world, God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

And John says in JN 1:14, “The Word became flesh [human] and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

The scientific “big bang” theory regarding the origin of the universe is quite compatible with the biblical story, theorizing that just before the beginning all matter in the universe was compressed to a “singularity”.

The point of GN is not how the world was created or how long it took, but who created it and why. It is concerned with metaphysics rather than mere physics.

Are there any other comments on GN 1:1-3, and if not, would someone like to lead discussion of the next key topic that would seem to be found in GN 1:4-25?
The ot is like a foretelling or crude pattern of the new so we read for instance

an ot teaching

“For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭17:11‬ ‭KJV‬

revelation of the nt

“But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; and having an high priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:19-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the ot teaching about the blood actually applies to the nt doctrine of Christ our Passover and sacrifice of atonement his blood makes atonement for a soul thier sacroroces only reminded them of thier sinfilness having to constantly try sacrifice again and again because of thier constant uncleanness .

christ shed his blood one time which is the u ivwrsal atonement for sin , you see the lambs nd goats and doves and bulls were only a pattern of what Jesus would later do for mankind

“For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The ot especially the law is like a rough draft or veiled prophecy of Christ and the gospel . The ot has so much good information in it regarding the gospel and Christ .

The key is for a person to understand the law of Moses isn’t my law it isn’t my covenant with God but rather the gospel is my covenant with God

then we can learn tons from the ot understandong it’s not our law to follow but it was pointing to Jesus and the gospel which we follow