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SDA emerged out of the Burned Over District that Mormonism and other cults and aberrant movements emerged from
Burned Over District
https://learn.ligonier.org/podcasts...ory-with-stephen-nichols/burned-over-district
Burned Over District
https://learn.ligonier.org/podcasts...ory-with-stephen-nichols/burned-over-district
You can’t see the fulfillment of Isiah 66 because you willingly veil your eyes with the law. No wonder you reason like a Jew who does not know Christ.
About fire:
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
and
“For our God is a consuming fire.”
About judgement:
Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment(note that this is not the law, this is the Holy Spirit)
and
“who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
About being made perfect in Christ:
“22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.”
The next verse:
“See that you do not refuse Him who speaks.” (We take direction from the word that continues to proceed from His mouth)
I could go on but you cannot see it until the veil is removed by faith in the finished work of Christ.
About fire:
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
and
“For our God is a consuming fire.”
About judgement:
Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment(note that this is not the law, this is the Holy Spirit)
and
“who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
About being made perfect in Christ:
“22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.”
The next verse:
“See that you do not refuse Him who speaks.” (We take direction from the word that continues to proceed from His mouth)
I could go on but you cannot see it until the veil is removed by faith in the finished work of Christ.
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This argument doesn’t even make sense- So basically you are saying that Jesus who is a consuming fire, one who comes to Christ will be baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire, somehow deletes the prophecy of Christ’s Second Coming. No my friend, it’s coming and it will be like nothing we can even imagine and probably sooner than we realize.
Isa 66: 15 For behold,
15 For behold, the Lord will come with fire
And with His chariots, like a whirlwind,
To render His anger with fury,
And His rebuke with flames of fire.
Lord will come with fire
And with His chariots, like a whirlwind,
To render His anger with fury,
And His rebuke with flames of fire.
May 24:27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Matthew 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
The Second Coming of Jesus Christ is not going to be like something we read on the news the next day. We will either meet Christ in the air, 1 Thes 4:16 or will be put to death by the Glory of His Presence - as He is a consuming fire And will not be risen again until Judgement day for the condemned. The saints will meet Him in the air and will be with Him forevermore Rev 20
First, I never said the law is the Holy Spirit. Not sure where you got that from. The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, if we hear His voice. Sin is the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4. We will have have to stand before Christ on Judgement Day which is the last day John 12:48 Rev 22:14-15
2 Cor 5:1- For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad
We will be Judged on God’s law (His version)
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.
James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
You can also see Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15, Rev 14:7-12
I would consider what Jesus in His own Words said who are the blind and what they do. It’s not obeying God’s commandments, it’s the opposite.
Matt 15: 3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (quoting from the Ten Commandments Exo 20:13) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”
13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
Isa 66: 15 For behold,
15 For behold, the Lord will come with fire
And with His chariots, like a whirlwind,
To render His anger with fury,
And His rebuke with flames of fire.
Lord will come with fire
And with His chariots, like a whirlwind,
To render His anger with fury,
And His rebuke with flames of fire.
May 24:27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Matthew 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
The Second Coming of Jesus Christ is not going to be like something we read on the news the next day. We will either meet Christ in the air, 1 Thes 4:16 or will be put to death by the Glory of His Presence - as He is a consuming fire And will not be risen again until Judgement day for the condemned. The saints will meet Him in the air and will be with Him forevermore Rev 20
First, I never said the law is the Holy Spirit. Not sure where you got that from. The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, if we hear His voice. Sin is the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4. We will have have to stand before Christ on Judgement Day which is the last day John 12:48 Rev 22:14-15
2 Cor 5:1- For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad
We will be Judged on God’s law (His version)
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.
James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
You can also see Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15, Rev 14:7-12
I would consider what Jesus in His own Words said who are the blind and what they do. It’s not obeying God’s commandments, it’s the opposite.
Matt 15: 3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (quoting from the Ten Commandments Exo 20:13) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”
13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
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It’s things like this that renews my faith. Its something we were told would happen in scripture Rev 12:17
It doesn’t bother me, the more you want to obey God, the more attacks you will get. Same thing happened to the apostles. Most were killed by so-called followers of God. Nothing changes, sadly.
Happy Sabbath all- need to go for now but hope you all have a blessed day!
It doesn’t bother me, the more you want to obey God, the more attacks you will get. Same thing happened to the apostles. Most were killed by so-called followers of God. Nothing changes, sadly.
Happy Sabbath all- need to go for now but hope you all have a blessed day!
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