The Real Antichrist For The End

[DavyP]

But on second thought it doesn't work because the beast, or antichrist, is thrown into the lake of fire at Christ's return, but satan isn't cast there until after the 1000 year rule of Christ.

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 19:20​

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And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Revelation 20:10​

I feel the need to address the above tradition of men.

And this will be difficult for many to understand if they do not first grasp Bible Scripture about just who already today... has been judged and sentenced to perdition in the future "lake of fire" that only happens after... God's Great White Throne Judgment of Revelation 20.


The following Scripture in Revelation is where men's doctrine that the "false prophet" is the "another beast" has created confusion.

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Lord Jesus gave us a huge 'hint' about the one mentioned in the above, for those who listened to Him in His Olivet discourse and in other Revelation Scripture. In Matthew 24:23-26 Lord Jesus warned us about the coming of 'a spurious Messiah' (NT:5580) coming at the end of this world, with the power to work "great signs and wonders", that IF it were possible (it is not), he would deceive even Christ's very elect.

That is what that "he had two horns like a lamb" phrase is pointing to, that false one coming to play The Christ/Messiah. That is further confirmed to be about Satan himself as that "another beast" because just who is to ascend out of the bottomless pit coming up out of the earth (symbolic for his casting out of heaven at the end)? Notice also that he "spake as a dragon", which the title of "dragon" per Rev.12:9 is another one of Satan's titles.


12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
KJV

That above power that he will have to work those miracles is what Lord Jesus was warning about in Matthew 24:23-26. That is pointing to 'supernatural' power by that "another beast", which by that he will deceive the whole world (excepting Christ's elect).


Rev 16:12-14
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
KJV

Per the Revelation 16:15 verse forward, Jesus' future coming happens with the 7th Vial. So this 6th Vial has to be the time on earth just prior to Christ's future return, which means "great tribulation" timing.

Recall Revelation 12:7-17 which is about the future, at the end of this world, when Satan and his angels are booted out of the heavenly dimension down to earth, in OUR earthly dimension. They all will be working supernatural miracles in plain sight on earth to deceive the whole world (excepting those sealed in Christ with God's seal). Recall also Apostle Paul's warning in 2 Corinthians 11 where he said no marvel that Satan is disguised as an angel of light, and his ministers also disguised as the ministers of righteousness. That will especially apply in the future when he and his angels are booted down to earth into our dimension.


Then the below Scripture is where many get confused about the defeat of the "beast" and the "false prophet" at the time of Christ's future return...

Rev 19:19-21
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him That sat on the horse, and against His army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of Him That sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of His mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
KJV

Biblical FACT:
that "beast" and "false prophet" cannot... mean flesh human men. Why?

It is because per God's Word, NO... flesh-born man is already judged and sentenced to perdition in the future "lake of fire" until after... God's Great White Throne Judgment of Revelation 20. That only will happen after... Christ's future "thousand years" reign of that Rev.20 chapter.

Don't make the mistake about Judas Iscariot either, since Lord Jesus used the "son of perdition" label about him. Judas still has not yet been judged and sentenced specifically to perdition in the future "lake of fire"; not yet, not until after Christ's future "thousand years" reign per Revelation 20.

Who then have... already been judged and sentenced to perdition in the "lake of fire"? Satan and his angels, like Lord Jesus said in Matthew 25:41. They only... have already been judged and sentenced to perdition. No flesh-born have yet.


What does this mean then for those "beast" and "false prophet" titles?

Those titles are other titles for Satan himself, and not flesh men. Notice that per Rev.19:20 Satan, that "dragon", is not yet destroyed when that "beast" and "false prophet" are when Jesus comes. And because the "beast" and "false prophet" don't make it to God's Great White Throne Judgment, it means they cannot represent flesh-born men. Those are ROLES that Satan and his will play when he comes at the end. And when Jesus returns those ROLES will be destroyed, but Satan as the "dragon" will not be, not until after Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20. That is why those "beast" and "false prophet" are ROLES, and not actual humans.

Per Revelation 17, we are shown the idea of the "beast" also in the role of a king. Per Rev.17:8-11 we are shown the 7th king still yet to come in John's day is about Satan's role at the end of the future great tribulation. Rev.13 reveals 2 separate "beast" concepts, the first about a beast kingdom, and then the "another beast" being about an entity linked to the title of the "dragon" (Satan). When Jesus returns, those ROLES will be over, cast into the "lake of fire".

 

[WilliamL]

By that you are suggesting that John's mention that they had heard "antichrist" shall come was just myth. That would make the doctrine of the "many antichrists" he mentioned as just a myth also.

Utter nonsense. John did not verify the singular; whereas he did verify the many.

Some men on earth today try to establish as fact that Christ's Kingdom has already come on earth today, and that the world is going to get better, progress, and get better and better until all the world converts to Jesus Christ, a type of Universalism. That just isn't the reality, not today, and not in any time during this present world. And that kind of idea is nowhere written of in God's Word. Apostle Peter revealed that this present world is preserved unto destruction by God's consuming fire, and that there's plenty enough Bible prophecy we are given about the very end of this world to know that Satan is coming to setup a mimic kingdom of Christ's future Kingdom.

Agreed.

 

[ewq1938]

And because the "beast" and "false prophet" don't make it to God's Great White Throne Judgment, it means they cannot represent flesh-born men.

That's a made up rule. God can judge and sentence people to the LOF before the GWTJ. satan is cast there BEFORE the GWTJ so it is very much possible.

 

[ewq1938]

Utter nonsense. John did not verify the singular; whereas he did verify the many.

And all false doctrines deny teh singular AC is one way or another. Some say he came in the past, some say the church will be gone before the AC comes, and some simply deny a singular Ac will exist. Ac denial is shared by all false doctrines of the endtimes. This is how the Apostasy happens to the church...false doctrines hide or erase the AC.

 

[Clayman]

That was not... when those one-third of the angels rebelled with Lucifer against God.

I know what you believe, you say Satan and the one third rebelled in the ancient world, and again you say Satan and one third rebel in the future tribulation period.

The question Im asking and am curious about is when you read the gospel of Matthew and the gospel of Mark and the gospel of Luke, even the book of Acts, who are the demonic beings in these books? and where do you believe they came from?

As you have already said, "you don't care to answer my question as you think I'm testing you", Just to put your suspicious mind at ease and so you know why I'm asking as Ive already said without explanation, I think the war in heaven happened 2000yrs ago and the demons are the one third of the fallen angels who followed Satan and warred with Michael and the other two thirds of the angels.

As a matter of fact, that event of rebellion that Lucifer did in the old world with his angels was one of the main reasons why Lord Jesus became ordained to be born in the flesh to die on the cross (see Hebrews 2:14; 1 John 3:8).

No, He was pre-ordained to die for us, to remedy Adams sin, not to fix Satan and the one third of the angels supposed sin.

I don't care to discuss your thoughts that thusly go outside of the written Bible Scriptures, which I see as only speculation on your part.

I havnt even explained my view, Ive just been trying to understand your view, Im trying to understand how you have Satan as the Antichrist, and Im trying to understand your view as it does not make sense to me, maybe if you answer questions I could understand more of where you are coming from?

 

[Clayman]

What does this mean then for those "beast" and "false prophet" titles?

I dont think that 666 as the number of the beast is that complicated or hard to work out, there are three beasts and they are represented by the number 6, the number six is the number of man and represents man.

I feel the need to address the above tradition of men.

And this will be difficult for many to understand if they do not first grasp Bible Scripture about just who already today... has been judged and sentenced to perdition in the future "lake of fire" that only happens after... God's Great White Throne Judgment of Revelation 20.


The following Scripture in Revelation is where men's doctrine that the "false prophet" is the "another beast" has created confusion.

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Lord Jesus gave us a huge 'hint' about the one mentioned in the above, for those who listened to Him in His Olivet discourse and in other Revelation Scripture. In Matthew 24:23-26 Lord Jesus warned us about the coming of 'a spurious Messiah' (NT:5580) coming at the end of this world, with the power to work "great signs and wonders", that IF it were possible (it is not), he would deceive even Christ's very elect.

That is what that "he had two horns like a lamb" phrase is pointing to, that false one coming to play The Christ/Messiah. That is further confirmed to be about Satan himself as that "another beast" because just who is to ascend out of the bottomless pit coming up out of the earth (symbolic for his casting out of heaven at the end)? Notice also that he "spake as a dragon", which the title of "dragon" per Rev.12:9 is another one of Satan's titles.


12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
KJV

Enjoyed your thoughts, I sure agree on some but not all points.


Yes the beast that ascends out of the earth, is Satan who is also the second beast, which means he is not the first beast, the first beast is the Antichrist, who rises out of the sea (the sea represents peoples) The first beast therefore is a human man, who then at the time of the 2nd beast rising out of the pit has a deadly wound which is a physical wound (had the wound by the sword) and after Satan enters into him, and revives his life, then Satan performs great wonders through him so that the whole earth believes he is messiah, but now the antichrist is now a false prophet.
There is another beast, a third beast which is the image of the Antichrist and Satan also gives this beast life, so it is the first beast and the third beast that are thrown into the LoF, Satan is put back into the pit/earth, until the 1000years are finished then again will be released again for a short time.

 

[douggg]

No, the "antichrist" for the end of this world will be Satan himself, appearing on earth with the image of man, working "great signs and wonders", that IF it were possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect (Matt.24:23-26).

Davy, the person who becomes the Antichrist will have his life's history of being born, growing up, then becoming an adult. That is something angels are not capable of.

Also, at Jesus's return, the Antichrist person after becoming the beast will be cast alive into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20.

Differently, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit, Revelation 20:1-3.

 

[DavyP]

Utter nonsense. John did not verify the singular; whereas he did verify the many.

Agreed.

What I was trying to reveal to you was that 'some men' that push the false idea that there is no singular antichrist are those working for the devil to help prepare the world for his future one-world government kingdom at the end of this world, even though some of them helping in that may be deceived by Satan's servants. That is not utter nonsense, as God's Word warns of a coming Antichrist figure and it's not a pope nor any flesh man.

 

[DavyP]

That's a made up rule. God can judge and sentence people to the LOF before the GWTJ. satan is cast there BEFORE the GWTJ so it is very much possible.

Not a made up rule. The fact that ONLY Satan and his angels so far are already judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire" is what God's Word points out. Even Lord Jesus was careful at His 1st coming to warn that one can be 'in danger of hellfire', but He did not directly condemn anyone to the lake of fire yet, as that Judgment won't happen until after... His future 1,000 years reign, as written in Revelation 20.

I realize many brethren think that the Judgment to condemnation in the lake of fire is already going on, but it is not for those born in the flesh.

So it's important to mark that Satan and his angels are not born in the flesh through woman's womb.

 

[DavyP]

I know what you believe, you say Satan and the one third rebelled in the ancient world, and again you say Satan and one third rebel in the future tribulation period.

The question Im asking and am curious about is when you read the gospel of Matthew and the gospel of Mark and the gospel of Luke, even the book of Acts, who are the demonic beings in these books? and where do you believe they came from?

The Revelation 12:3-4 Scripture, along with many Bible Scriptures about Satan's original fall, reveal that one third of the angels Lucifer drew to earth with him when he first rebelled. The angels which Apostle Peter in 2 Peter 3 and Jude 6 spoke of are included within that one third that originally rebelled with Lucifer in the old world. You appear to be struggling with these Biblical facts.

As you have already said, "you don't care to answer my question as you think I'm testing you", Just to put your suspicious mind at ease and so you know why I'm asking as Ive already said without explanation, I think the war in heaven happened 2000yrs ago and the demons are the one third of the fallen angels who followed Satan and warred with Michael and the other two thirds of the angels.

I'm don't care to argue over those Biblical facts of Revelation 12:3-4 and Revelation 12:7-17. The war in Heaven with Satan's casting out of heaven with his angels is timed with the existence of the Christian saints, not... back before Jesus came in the flesh to die on the cross. Those are very, very strong Scripture points in that Rev.12:7-17 Scripture that prove that specific casting out was not back at anytime prior to the end of this world, which is a view one must deny to believe what you do.

 

[DavyP]

I dont think that 666 as the number of the beast is that complicated or hard to work out, there are three beasts and they are represented by the number 6, the number six is the number of man and represents man.

Numerology, or Gematria, will not reveal the actual meaning of the given 666 number at the end of Rev.13. The Revelation 13 chapter points to only 2 'beast' ideas, as does Rev.17 that helps define them. Rev.13:1 is about a kingdom beast, a system over the whole earth over all nations. Rev.13:11 forward is about a beast king, which is identified in other Bible Scripture as the coming "antichrist" and pseudo-Christ (per Rev.17:8-13; 2 Thess.2; Matt.24:23-26).

 

[DavyP]

Davy, the person who becomes the Antichrist will have his life's history of being born, growing up, then becoming an adult. That is something angels are not capable of.

That above is speculation based on a fleshy thinking.

Just as the false Jews in Jerusalem will be deceivers in helping to establish the events by the "vile person" in Daniel 11, including the building of a 3rd temple and re-established old covenant worship with sacrifices, likewise they will help establish Satan with a fake history as being from the tribe of Judah as Messiah. Even with the Ark of the Covenant which is required for temple worship, they will claim they will have found, even though Rev.11:19 shows that Ark is in Heaven. This may sound like speculation, but it is not, for the Bible prophecy about Jesus is that He would be born of the tribe of Judah of the house of David, so the coming Antichrist must... somehow meet that requirement in order for deceived Jews to believe he is the Messiah. And Christ is Who he will try to mimic himself as, since Lord Jesus warned specifically of a coming pseudo-Christ.

Also, at Jesus's return, the Antichrist person after becoming the beast will be cast alive into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20.

Many get easily confused about that title of "beast" when it is applied to both the kingdom-beast and a beast-king. Satan will be the beast-king at the end, another of his titles is the "dragon". We are shown the "dragon" is not destroyed at the time of Christ's future return. That has to mean the "beast" of Rev.19:20 that goes into the lake of fire at Christ's coming means the 'roles' of a beast-kingdom and beast-king.

Differently, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit, Revelation 20:1-3.

The idea is that he will be locked... in his pit prison at Jesus' coming, meaning he will not be able to roam like a lion to devour during Christ's 1,000 years reign (see 1 Peter 5:8).

 

[DavyP]

For those interested, below I will show just where men's doctrines some have that Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven at the cross comes from...

Jesus speaking to His disciples just prior to His being delivered up to die on the cross:

John 12:31-33
31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me."
33 This He said, signifying what death He should die.
KJV

Some believe that meant that Satan was cast out of heaven at that time of Jesus' crucifixion, thus they mistake the Revelation 12:7-17 Scripture for that event. They wrongly believe that meant Satan was then locked in his pit prison, being bound. Yet Apostle Peter in 1 Peter 5:8 showed that Satan is still roaming like a lion seeking whom he may devour, which obviously means he is not yet locked in his pit prison which will only happen when Jesus returns per Rev.20.

A little while later just before His being delivered up to the cross, Jesus then warned His disciples about the following...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

That also was popularly interpreted to mean that Satan was coming to cause Christ's crucifixion. Both of those John Scriptures though are actually about Satan's casting out of the heavenly, literally, down to this earth, with his angels, for the END of this world, just prior to Christ's return. That is what Lord Jesus was pointing to, that Satan is coming, literally, to this earth at the end. Jesus revealed that event in the future to the time of His cross.

 

[Clayman]

The Revelation 12:3-4 Scripture, along with many Bible Scriptures about Satan's original fall, reveal that one third of the angels Lucifer drew to earth with him when he first rebelled. The angels which Apostle Peter in 2 Peter 3 and Jude 6 spoke of are included within that one third that originally rebelled with Lucifer in the old world. You appear to be struggling with these Biblical facts.




I'm don't care to argue over those Biblical facts of Revelation 12:3-4 and Revelation 12:7-17. The war in Heaven with Satan's casting out of heaven with his angels is timed with the existence of the Christian saints, not... back before Jesus came in the flesh to die on the cross. Those are very, very strong Scripture points in that Rev.12:7-17 Scripture that prove that specific casting out was not back at anytime prior to the end of this world, which is a view one must deny to believe what you do.

Thats not what Im asking. And I don't know how to ask so that you may be able to comprehend my question, my question is...

You know in the gospel accounts when Jesus cast out demons and healed people, I want to know who you think these fallen angels, these demons are in these accounts.

Some people think that they are different from those fallen or cast out of heaven as we are shown in Rev 12.
Im wanting to know if you have yet another group of fallen angels like a lot do, or do you indeed see them as one and the same as the third as shown in rev 12?

So who do you see the demons/evil spirits as? where did they come from?

Do you even have an opinion on who they are? or is the question too hard to answer?

 

[Clayman]

Numerology, or Gematria, will not reveal the actual meaning of the given 666 number at the end of Rev.13. The Revelation 13 chapter points to only 2 'beast' ideas, as does Rev.17 that helps define them. Rev.13:1 is about a kingdom beast, a system over the whole earth over all nations. Rev.13:11 forward is about a beast king, which is identified in other Bible Scripture as the coming "antichrist" and pseudo-Christ (per Rev.17:8-13; 2 Thess.2; Matt.24:23-26).

As I said I have a simple take of it, which obviously means I was saying that I also don't see any Numerology or Gematria being used to reveal who the Antichrist is.

But rather it reveals that there are three beasts, two of whom are thrown alive into the lake of fire

6=man-beast
6=man-beast
6=man-beast

The beasts characteristics are used to describe kingdoms, like in the book of Daniel for example with Greece and Alexander the Great was described as a goat that moves at incredible speed, it does not mean the Goat or Grecian kingdom is another Identity and is possible to be judged and thrown into the Lake of fire, I think you are over conflating things to fit into your view.

 

[Clayman]

For those interested, below I will show just where men's doctrines some have that Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven at the cross comes from...

I don't believe they were cast out of heaven at the cross, they were cast out of heaven after the woman(Israel) was with child. (God became flesh to dwell among us) heavens throne was vacated and as Saran had said in his heart he was going to ascend into heaven above the clouds to the throne of God Isaiah 14, which is now vacated, which is why Michael cast him out, not even Satan would ascend to heaven with the Lord actually there to wrest His throne from Him, I mean I know people think Satan is stoopid, but not that stooopid.

Jesus speaking to His disciples just prior to His being delivered up to die on the cross:

John 12:31-33
31 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me."
33 This He said, signifying what death He should die.
KJV

This verse is talking about Satan being cast out of the earth not out of heaven, he was cast out of heaven with one third of the angels about 30 years prior to this, thats why all the fallen angels demons are, you know, tormenting people prior to this event.

You can add the fact that the strong man who is Satan is now bound, and now the strong mans goods(people) are being plundered

Also the fact the angels who sinned are now bound until the time of judgment as recorded by Jude and Peter.

Some believe that meant that Satan was cast out of heaven at that time of Jesus' crucifixion, thus they mistake the Revelation 12:7-17 Scripture for that event. They wrongly believe that meant Satan was then locked in his pit prison, being bound. Yet Apostle Peter in 1 Peter 5:8 showed that Satan is still roaming like a lion seeking whom he may devour, which obviously means he is not yet locked in his pit prison which will only happen when Jesus returns per Rev.20.

1 Peter 5:8 is one of the most misused verses in scripture, obviously its not to be taken literally, its metaphoric and if it's a metaphor then what is it a metaphor of, short answer is sin, beware sin does not like a lion (also a common picture of sin) cause us to fall, Satan already fallen is a great type of pride (the context of these verses in Peter by the way)

You already agree with me, its just that you don't know you do because people conflate the the literal with the allegory and we actually end up with the same outcome.

To show this Ill ask you another question so you will most likely ignore it, but give me one example of a person you know that has been devoured by Satan?

A little while later just before His being delivered up to the cross, Jesus then warned His disciples about the following...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

That also was popularly interpreted to mean that Satan was coming to cause Christ's crucifixion. Both of those John Scriptures though are actually about Satan's casting out of the heavenly, literally, down to this earth, with his angels, for the END of this world, just prior to Christ's return.

Jesus is instructing his disciples about his imminent death at the cross, so they will realise, even if in hindsight, that it is all part of the plan, He is telling them even though the prince of the world is coming to hand him over to the judgement of the worldly authorities they will find nothing in Him, that he is faultless, so He will be wrongly sentenced to death which as we know is planned for our redemption.

John 14:28-29 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe.

Judas had in his heart to betray Jesus for money, Satan entered Judas and the Lord said to him "what you do, do quickly" So they went to the chief priests and Pharisee's and betrayed Jesus, and then they Judas and Satan were then given troops and Judas was made to go identify Jesus and with a kiss had Him arrested.

19 “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.

20 Very truly I tell you, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me.”

21 After he had said this, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified, “Very truly I tell you, one of you is going to betray me.”

22 His disciples stared at one another, at a loss to know which of them he meant. 23 One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him. 24 Simon Peter motioned to this disciple and said, “Ask him which one he means.”

25 Leaning back against Jesus, he asked him, “Lord, who is it?”

26 Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.” Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. 27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.

So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.”

That is what Lord Jesus was pointing to, that Satan is coming, literally, to this earth at the end. Jesus revealed that event in the future to the time of His cross.

It makes no sense, is Satan in heaven worshipping Jesus with the other angels or is he on earth running around in Africa eating people who wonder out of the trucks when they are doing the safari parks.

You also have Satan as coming up out of the earth as the second beast when did he get into the earth?
You also correctly see the king of the locusts as Satan also known as Abaddon and Apollyon the destroyer, who is released from the pit in rev 9, which is coincidently at the mid point of the tribulation, which is also at the same time when the Antichrist a human being has just mortally wounded.

Since you in fact see that Satan comes up out of the pit here, then when according to your view did Satan get put and bound into the pit? Any verses other than speculation?

Ill answer for you since you have a phobia for questions

At the cross when Jesus bound the strong man and now Jesus plunders his house and takes his goods, that's you and me bro, Hallelujah...

 

[DavyP]

Thats not what Im asking. And I don't know how to ask so that you may be able to comprehend my question, my question is...

You know in the gospel accounts when Jesus cast out demons and healed people, I want to know who you think these fallen angels, these demons are in these accounts.

I just pointed it out to you with Bible Scripture, the Rev.12:3-4 is the main example of the angels which rebelled with Lucifer in the beginning, in the old world. Nothing more to it. That's who those demons in The Gospel are, those fallen angels that first rebelled with Lucifer.

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV

All that in red above was about the time of Lucifer's original rebellion and fall. It is when he drew those one third of angels with him in that overthrow in the old world, before Adam existed. God in His parable about Lucifer using the "king of Tyrus" of Ezekiel 28 showed that He originally created Lucifer perfect in his ways. That means a time when Lucifer served God with no sin. And that has to have been in a previous world time prior to Adam, showing God's creation is older than Adam. This because by the time of Adam and Eve, Satan was already in his role as adversary working against God, revealing that he had already fallen at some point before Adam.

In that above Rev.12:3 example is shown a beast kingdom different than the one in Rev.13:1. The one above had only "seven crowns", while the Rev.13 beast kingdom will have "ten crowns".

Therefore, you can speculate all you want away from this, but all I'm going to do is keep pointing you to those Bible Scriptures, because if we want God's Truth then we must heed His Word as written, and not try and change what it reveals to fit men's pop doctrines.

 

[DavyP]

As I said I have a simple take of it, which obviously means I was saying that I also don't see any Numerology or Gematria being used to reveal who the Antichrist is.

But rather it reveals that there are three beasts, two of whom are thrown alive into the lake of fire

6=man-beast
6=man-beast
6=man-beast

The beasts characteristics are used to describe kingdoms, like in the book of Daniel for example with Greece and Alexander the Great was described as a goat that moves at incredible speed, it does not mean the Goat or Grecian kingdom is another Identity and is possible to be judged and thrown into the Lake of fire, I think you are over conflating things to fit into your view.

That is going outside the actual written Bible Scripture. There is nothing written in Rev.13 that allows us to interpret that 666 number to mean three different beasts. It is given about one particular entity, that "another beast", and he is represented by the "dragon" symbol.

Rev 13:4-9
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

All that in red above is about the Bible prophecy of a specific entity that is prophesied to appear at the end of this world. He is described using many titles:

1. "dragon" - which is a title for Satan per Rev.12:9.
2. "vile person" - a title for the false one of Dan.11 that will setup up the "abomination of desolation" idol at the end of this world.
3. "little horn" of Dan.8 that does those above things at the end of this world.
4. "king of fierce countenance" of Dan.8 who comes to destroy the holy people at the end of this world.
5. "Apollyon" and "Abaddon", names that mean 'Destroyer', put for Satan who is that angel of the bottomless pit that goes into perdition (Greek apollumi).
6. "antichrist" of 1 John 2:18, a singular entity coming to play Christ with the power to do great signs and wonders, the above Rev.13:8 being the result with the whole world being deceived into believing he is God come to earth.


Rev.13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

At the end of that given Rev.13:4-8 prophecy, that having an ear, let him hear, is stated to show that not everyone is going to understand this, but only those who's names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.

 

[DavyP]

I don't believe they were cast out of heaven at the cross, they were cast out of heaven after the woman(Israel) was with child. (God became flesh to dwell among us) heavens throne was vacated and as Saran had said in his heart he was going to ascend into heaven above the clouds to the throne of God Isaiah 14, which is now vacated, which is why Michael cast him out, not even Satan would ascend to heaven with the Lord actually there to wrest His throne from Him, I mean I know people think Satan is stoopid, but not that stooopid.
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I cannot agree with much of what you are saying, because it is not staying with the actual written Scripture, but is adding a whole bunch into the Scripture which is not there.

The thing about speculation, is that if... we don't pay close attention to the Scripture as written, we can mislead ourselves. It is OK to do some... speculation, for that is simply about thinking within the Bible Scripture about relationships with other relevant Bible Scripture. And that's the key, other 'relevant' Bible Scripture, because most often God gave several examples of a matter in His Word. Those who fail to gather all the Scripture witnesses because of lack of Bible study often are trying to understand in a limited scope, and that is how many doctrines of men get started.

Then came the danger that the Christian school at Alexandria, Egypt followed, that of creating allegories for everything written in God's Word, turning The Bible into a book of philosophy. Origen was excommunicated for doing that. And it's still going on today in some Church systems of man, as they treat God's Word with more of a philosophical approach instead of heeding it as written.

 

[douggg]

Satan will be the beast-king at the end,

Satan will not be the beast-king. The number of the beast king's name is 666. The number of a man.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.