Understanding God’s election

[MeowFlower]

That wasn't a law, but a commandment, and one originally ordained and intended by God to protect life, not to bring death. Satan deceived Adam and Eve, twisting God's intended purpose for his own, which, through Satan, resulted in death for all. The law is holy, but it is through sin that we attempt to justify ourselves by the law that death, not life, emerges.

[Rom 7:8-10 KJV]
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.

[Rom 7:5 KJV]
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

The 10 commandments are also known in error as the laws of Moses.

God is Sovereign and Omniscient. He planted one tree he forbid be touched or eaten of. While the serpent knew Gods law was not to eat of it.

That's how of all trees he ascended into that one so to tempt innocent minds who knew not good or evil. And therefore did not know what they were doing or were suppose to do in obedience.

They were destined to fall. Which is why the lamb was slain before the world was made and the lambs book of life was written before then too.

By one man sin entered this world.

Sin predated the world in order to enter into it. And we know how. Because Lucifer sinned in Heaven leading angels to war against God.

 

[cv5]

You have it all backwards. In the scheme of progressive revelation, the NT is concealed in the Old and Old is revealed in the New. The NT sheds more light on the scriptures; therefore, the Old must be understood and interpreted in light of the New.

More churchianity sound bites.

The indisputable truth is that the Bible is an indivisible whole. And everything references everything else. And if it doesn't you are simply wrong.

 

[MeowFlower]

Oh it's worse than that. Most of the Calvinists around here say that Mary was impregnated by God without the need for her permission, bereft of any regard to her willingness whatsoever.

So not only do they believe in shotgun weddings, they likewise believe in shotgun impregnations.
By God Himself.

Yeah that's what they believe.

And yet scripture tells us Mary did consent.

Those who think otherwise are believers in Sophistry. Not God's word.

 

[cv5]

They also have to have the last word. Simply don't respond and we'll know.

You might think you're funny but actually you're a joke.

 

[Cameron143]

You might think you're funny but actually you're a joke.

 

[MeowFlower]

Abraham believed God. He didn't always act faithfully.
I'm not sure of what laws you believe Abraham kept, as there were no laws to keep.

The Bible said there were and he did. So, I'll go with that. I don't know how anyone chooses to ignore scripture.

Genesis 26:5
“Because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

 

[MeowFlower]

You might think you're funny but actually you're a joke.

That's mean.

 

[cv5]

That's mean.

Maybe. But truth hurts

 

[GWH]

Not sure how that all fits but as far as your "MFW" goes, man's will can only operate within the constraints of his nature -- and in the case of man, man's nature in Adam is evil. There is no one good, save for God alone. The Spiritually Dead have no more moral/spiritual ability than the physically dead have any physical ability. This makes man helpless and powerless and in dire need of being rescued -- all of which the scriptures teach. I'm not sure how an infinitely loving, kind, compassionate and merciful God saving helpless people makes those helpless people "robots" or God himself a malevolent tyrant.

I wonder if the Good Samaritan in Jesus' parable sought the "free will" permission from the helpless Jew before choosing to be merciful to him? If not, would you characterize the Jew as being a "robot"? Or the Good Samaritan as a tyrant for presuming to "impose" himself upon the man?

It took me a long time and I am still learning how teachings in Scripture fit together, but man's will is free to operate within the constraints of God, who offers a choice between good and evil and weeps over the unwillingness of Jerusalem to accept Christ. (DT30:19 & MT 23:37.

All have sinned, but the all-loving God provides the Way for their sins to be forgiven so they can choose life in Christ. God would be malevolent if He were unloving and programmed humans to choose damnation.

The Samaritan was good because he freely cooperated with the good will of God toward man.

 

[Cameron143]

The Bible said there were and he did. So, I'll go with that. I don't know how anyone chooses to ignore scripture.

Genesis 26:5
“Because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

I agree there were commandments associated the covenant. Do you believe Abraham obeyed to fulfill the terms of the covenant or because he was a partaker of the covenant?

 

[cv5]

the Good Samaritan in Jesus' parable

Good grief man the Good Samaritan is Jesus Christ Himself.

The parable is about Himself and his redemption and salvation.
And also about the awful failure of Israel to accomplish their assigned commission.

"went down from Jerusalem to Jericho"
"fell among thieves"
"stripped him of his raiment"
"wounded him"
"half dead"

And I sure hope that this ***TYPE*** of person is clearly understood.

 

[Genez]

Romans 5:5...not because I'm God, but because God dwells within me, and because out of me flows rivers of living water...John 7:38.

But it's not difficult to see who is prideful. All you have to do is not respond. That will show your humility. I'm guessing that like last time, your pride will cause you to respond. Sure, you'll say that it is your duty to deliver truth, even rudely.

Still playing God, aren't you...

 

[Genez]

Oh it's worse than that. Most of the Calvinists around here say that Mary was impregnated by God without the need for her permission, bereft of any regard to her willingness whatsoever.

So not only do they believe in shotgun weddings, they likewise believe in shotgun impregnations.
By God Himself.

Yeah that's what they believe.

They also believe in shotgun dogma...

 

[MeowFlower]

Maybe. But truth hurts

It's a personal attack. Which is against the rules.
If you don't like what they post ignore it. Calling them names doesn't make them look bad. It makes you look like you have no respect for the rule against personal attack. And they have every right to report it.

 

[MeowFlower]

I agree there were commandments associated the covenant. Do you believe Abraham obeyed to fulfill the terms of the covenant or because he was a partaker of the covenant?

I believe what the Genesis passage said about Abraham.
And you? Do you believe that passage I posted from Genesis?

 

[Cameron143]

It's a personal attack. Which is against the rules.
If you don't like what they post ignore it. Calling them names doesn't make them look bad. It makes you look like you have no respect for the rule against personal attack. And they have every right to report it.

Don't worry about him. He's harmless. But you are correct about about what it reveals.

 

[Cameron143]

I believe what the Genesis passage said about Abraham.
And you? Do you believe that passage I posted from Genesis?

Of course. Still interested in your response to my question.

 

[cv5]

It's a personal attack. Which is against the rules.
If you don't like what they post ignore it. Calling them names doesn't make them look bad. It makes you look like you have no respect for the rule against personal attack. And they have every right to report it.

It was a joke, and a play on words. Obviously.

 

[cv5]

Still playing God, aren't you...

He's going back on ignore. Why bother wearing out a perfectly good keyboard?

 

[cv5]

It's a personal attack. Which is against the rules.
If you don't like what they post ignore it. Calling them names doesn't make them look bad. It makes you look like you have no respect for the rule against personal attack. And they have every right to report it.

Just to let you know:
Whenever he and @GaryA are losing their shirt in a Biblical debate, or are proven grievously wrong, they invariably drop the "pride" accusation. Standard operating procedure when they are in all-out retreat.

But the wise see through these charades, and can readily discern the Biblical truth when it is presented.

At least I can.