The Real Antichrist For The End

[ewq1938]

I read your blog at the other forum which is basically the same as what you wrote here, and even there, no one agrees with you. They all even posted the verses that show that this man will be real.

I don't know how you can miss what is already spelled out in scripture that no one else misses. 🤷


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I have noticed similar teachings about the antichrist/man of sin etc.

Doctrines like Pre-trib teach the church will be gone, so they don't worry about the antichrist or look for any of the signs of his arrival.

Various forms of Preterism including Amillennialism teach the antichrist already came in the past so there is no need to watch for him now.

Other doctrines teach that the antichrist isn't a singular man, or that denominations like the RCC and it's Papacy are the antichrist which is a mis-identification of the last and final antichrist and antichrist type system.

All false doctrines teach some version of doctrine where it's adherents need not worry about or watch for the not-yet-here antichrist. Seems like a great thing for satan to introduce into the churches so his antichrist (whoever he is) can slip right in and deceive those not watching. The antichrist is also known as a false christ and that is the most dangerous thing not to be knowledgeable about in the endtimes because of the apostasia (the Apostasy).

So, not watching for the antichrist or not believing in a singular future AC or thinking something/someone else is the antichrist can result in one being deceived and possibly committing Apostasy.

That is extremely dangerous. Beware!

 

[WilliamL]

-- Jesus is saying (in your verse ^ ) "FOR many...," because in the previous verse He had just spoken of the "individual-person" He's wanting them to be IN PARTICULAR aware of and cautioned about...

... there in the previous verse, He'd said, "tis - G5100 - 'A CERTAIN ONE ['a certain one' BRINGING DECEPTION]' "

...So He's saying beware of "A CERTAIN ONE

Incorrect, but creative. Tis is an "indefinite masculine pronoun," not a definite one, like you try to use it. Not a single Bible interprets it here the way you do.

CONSIDER:

--that the phrase "YE HAVE HEARD" is a phrase used elsewhere that specifically POINTS BACK to subjects having been written already in the OT; for example,

Nothing in the OT speaks of anyone named "the Anti-Messiah."

Bottom line, you keep ignoring the words of Jesus Hiimself:

Matt. 24:5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,' ..." So, MANY false/anti-Christs, not a single one. Can't escape it; can't rely on a rumor having no direct reference to any Scripture or person.

 

[WilliamL]

no one agrees with you. They all even posted the verses that show that this man will be real.

I don't know how you can miss what is already spelled out in scripture that no one else misses.

I don't pay any regard to what the popular vote about any doctrine is. If you do, then you will be deceived again and again.

Popular beliefs about the coming of the Messiah in the 1st century AD were wildly wrong. Why? Because 1) people like you were willing to follow the crowd, and 2) people tend to believe in what they want to happen, not what will be adverse to what they want to happen.

In the first century AD, what the Jews wanted was a conquering Messiah who would defeat their enemies and establish the Davidic Kingdom. I.e., little pain, lotsa gain. In the 21st century, what many Christians want is a pre-trib rapture, where they will be outta here before the really bad stuff affects them. Again, little pain, lotsa gain. But that won't happen either, and woe to those who have placed their faith in that outcome.

Bottom line is what I posted above: Jesus said MANY will come in His name. I'll take my stand upon His word, not popular opinion.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Incorrect, but creative. Tis is an "indefinite masculine pronoun," not a definite one, like you try to use it. Not a single Bible interprets it here the way you do.

Well, what you say here is a little misleading... because, well, take a look at another example (of MANY EXAMPLES we could look at), where the following verse (USING AN "INDEFINITE PRONOUN" [of G5100]) says:

-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/luk/13/23/t_conc_986023 - "Then said one [G5100 - tis - X-NSM (indefinite pronoun)] unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them," - Luke 13:23 (where this is speaking of a particular person without specifically naming / labeling him);






An example from "Scribbr [dot] com" of an "indefinite pronoun" is the sentence saying,

"Someone told me you like to play chess."

- https://www.scribbr.com/nouns-and-pronouns/indefinite-pronouns/ (speaking of a particular person);




[Also from the web...] "Indefinite pronouns are pronouns that refer to someone or something in a general way, without being specific. They allow for discussions without specifying exact details."




Yes, so just because Jesus wasn't giving a specific NAME or LABEL to [the "G5100" in this text--Mt24:4 / Mk13:5], doesn't mean that it is saying what you are wanting it to convey (and suggesting it does);


I maintain that "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]" *ARE* the "SEALS" of Rev6 (at the START of the Trib yrs)... and that therefore the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" OF THESE BoBPs (Jesus spoke of) CORRESPONDS WITH the (Rev6:2) rider on the white horse WITH A BOW ("bow" often meaning "DECEPTION"--which would ALSO tie into this what Paul speaks to in 2Th2:9,10a[,4a]... which verse CONNECTS back to the individual being spoken of in Daniel 11:36-37 [with its "regime-change" language/wording ('there's a new sheriff in town,' so to speak)], etc etc)





One could furthermore search through this LIST (looking only at the "G5100 - someone" in this LIST) and see the many times in the nasb that this "INDEFINITE PRONOUN" [G5100] is used (speaking of a particular person),
...LIKE in the Luke 13:23 example I supplied above
- https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=someone&t=NASB20&ss=1#s=s_primary_0_2

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Bottom line is what I posted above: Jesus said MANY will come in His name. I'll take my stand upon His word, not popular opinion.

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I'm not pre-trib.

Your view is not popular because it doesn't stand upon His word - you lack His discernment and won't be able to recognize the actual antichrist that His word speaks of. That's nothing to be proud about.

If you can't even see something that basic in the Bible, what other things in the Bible are over your head? This is why no one listens to you.


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[WilliamL]

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Your view is not popular because it doesn't stand upon His word - you lack His discernment and won't be able to recognize the actual antichrist that His word speaks of. That's nothing to be proud about.

If you can't even see something that basic in the Bible, what other things in the Bible are over your head? This is why no one listens to you.


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Lotta accusation and posturing here, but not a single scripture to back up your belief. I repeat what Jesus said, "many will come in my name." Ergo, MANY ANTICHRISTS. Just as John also said.

Whereas there is not a single Scripture that either you or anyone else can provide that says there will come a single man who will be "THE Antichrist."

But certainly there are many folks who will claim otherwise, and keep on speculating who the THE Antichrist will be.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Lotta accusation and posturing here, but not a single scripture to back up your belief. I repeat what Jesus said, "many will come in my name." Ergo, MANY ANTICHRISTS. Just as John also said.

Whereas there is not a single Scripture that either you or anyone else can provide that says there will come a single man who will be "THE Antichrist."

But certainly there are many folks who will claim otherwise, and keep on speculating who the THE Antichrist will be.

*Shrug* The antichrist is alive right now. When he is revealed some years from now, you can go and try to convince him yourself that he doesn't exist.


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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

For those in a hurry for the answer, the coming Antichrist will be the devil himself, appearing in OUR earthly dimension with the image of 'man'.

This is an interesting idea. He'll have to be doing something on earth after he's kicked out of heaven.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But on second thought it doesn't work because the beast, or antichrist, is thrown into the lake of fire at Christ's return, but satan isn't cast there until after the 1000 year rule of Christ.

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 19:20​

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And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Revelation 20:10​

 

[ewq1938]

Whereas there is not a single Scripture that either you or anyone else can provide that says there will come a single man who will be "THE Antichrist."

John wrote of a singular antichrist who was to come in the future. An exact wording like you are asking for is a logical fallacy. The future, singular antichrist John wrote about is the same one we call "the" antichrist because that "the" in English grammar refers to a specific antichrist.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Whereas there is not a single Scripture that either you or anyone else can provide that says there will come a single man who will be "THE Antichrist."

1 John 2:18 actually does have the before antichrist. I've bolded the words.

παιδία εσχάτη ώρα εστί και καθώς ηκούσατε ότι ο αντίχριστος έρχεται και νυν αντίχριστοι πολλοί γεγόνασιν όθεν γινώσκομεν ότι εσχάτη ώρα εστίν​

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G3588 ὁ ho (ho) t.
ἡ he (hee) [feminine]
τό to (to') [neuter (each with various inflections)]
1. the.

G500 ἀντίχριστος antichristos (an-tiy'-chriy-stos) n.
an adversary (or opponent) of the Messiah, the Anointed-One.

 

[douggg]

For those in a hurry for the answer, the coming Antichrist will be the devil himself, appearing in OUR earthly dimension with the image of 'man'.

No, the Antichrist will be a human. Not Satan.

The Antichrist eventually becomes the beast of Revelation 13. At Jesus's return in Revelation 19:20, the beast will be cast into the lake of fire.

Differently, at that time, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit, in Revelation 20:i-3.

The person who becomes the Antichrist goes through 5 stages on his path to his end in the lake of fire.

I show those 5 stages in blue on this chart I made.

 

[ewq1938]

No, the Antichrist will be a human. Not Satan.

The Antichrist eventually becomes the beast of Revelation 13.

Nope. He is the antichrist from day one. There is no becoming the AC. The beast of Rev 13, the second beast, is the AC but simply called a different name or title but the same person.

 

[DavyP]

Your whole argument is founded upon the commonly-taught but false premise that there is prophesied to be someone called "the antichrist." But Jesus Himself prophesied otherwise:

That above idea comes from those who don't study their Bible thoroughly.

The Matthew 24:5 verse about the "many" that would come in Christ's name is about the "many antichrists" which Apostle John mentioned in 1 John 2:18. That is not about 'the'... "antichrist" that John also mentioned though.

Thus you missed that 1 John 2:18 verse has both a singular tense "antichrist", and mention of the plural "many antichrists". Not only that, but John said the brethren had already heard that "antichrist" shall come. Where and when did they first hear about that, ask yourself, because that's another Bible point you have also obviously missed.

Thus this singular antichrist and plural antichrists theme is not just something that John mentioned; Jesus pointed to it also, as did Apostle Paul.

1. Matthew 24:5 is about the "many antichrists" that would come and say they are Christ. History has already had many of those false ones, even some today that claim that. Yet they have no power to perform great signs and wonders, only claim they are Christ. Jesus gave this warning to not let any man deceive us as one of the first SIGNS in His Olivet discourse, simply because those SIGNS follow the order of the Seals of Revelation 6, and the 1st Seal is a warning about the false one riding on a white horse to mimic His coming is given first.

2. Matthew 24:23-26, is about the singular "antichrist" that will have power to perform great signs and wonders, that IF it were possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect. The KJV translators brought the Greek word pseudochristos into English as "false Christs", as if it were plural, but the context of the 23rd & 26th verses are in the singular tense. That means Lord Jesus was pointing to a singular... false one coming that will have power to deceive using those great signs and wonders. That one is totally different than the "many" in Matt.24:5. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated Greek pseudochristos as "a spurious Messiah" (NT:5580). So Dr. Strong understood this difference.

The above means that Lord Jesus actually did... point to both the singular "antichrist" working great signs and miracles that John said shall come, and the "many antichrists" that will only claim to be Christ.

In 2 Thessalonians 2, Apostle Paul covered the same two, but in passing about the "many antichrists".

1. 2 Thess.2:3-4, 8, 9 -- is about the singular "antichrist", coming to exalt himself in a stone temple in Jerusalem for the end, as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped. That is the role of the false one coming to mimic Christ's future return.

2. 2 Thess.2:7 -- is about the "many antichrists" of 1 John 2:18. But it is mentioned as a mystery.

2 Thess 2:7
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
KJV

That "mystery of iniquity" is about the idea of the "many antichrists" workers who work for the "antichrist". It is a mystery because it has been going on for a long, long time, all the way back to Old Testament times with the "workers of iniquity". In Genesis 3:15 is when it was first revealed about the two seeds, and in Matthew 13 with Jesus' parable of the 'tares' of the field is when it was explained by Lord Jesus.

So I recommend you go deeper in your Bible study on this, because men's doctrines often bypass this matter written in God's Word.

 

[DavyP]

We have both been talking about the verses where a third of the angels were cast out in Rev 12, I have been constantly saying the timing in regard to these verses are talking about when God left heaven to become a man, when he lowered Himself even lower than than the angels. And that the timing of the Lords first advent and the war in heaven was about 2000yrs ago.

That was not... when those one-third of the angels rebelled with Lucifer against God. As a matter of fact, that event of rebellion that Lucifer did in the old world with his angels was one of the main reasons why Lord Jesus became ordained to be born in the flesh to die on the cross (see Hebrews 2:14; 1 John 3:8).


I don't care to discuss your thoughts that thusly go outside of the written Bible Scriptures, which I see as only speculation on your part.

 

[DavyP]

This is an interesting idea. He'll have to be doing something on earth after he's kicked out of heaven.

By even considering that possibility, God may open up His Word to you about it, if you ask Him.

The flesh is what keeps many brethren at bay with considering this point that is written in God's Word. I've found that a majority of my Christian brethren have a problem understanding about Apostle Paul's "image of the heavenly" and that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God per 1 Corinthians 15. Many simply do not understand how the heavenly image can manifest upon this earth, and live upon this earth, and even eat earthly food like Jesus and the two angels did in Genesis 18.

 

[DavyP]

No, the Antichrist will be a human. Not Satan.

No, the "antichrist" for the end of this world will be Satan himself, appearing on earth with the image of man, working "great signs and wonders", that IF it were possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect (Matt.24:23-26).

The 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 verses even reveal that he is coming to try and do it again, what he originally did in the old world when he first rebelled in coveting God's Throne, wanting to be God. And God told you about that in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, so you would realize that's what the coming "antichrist" at the end of this world is going to be about. Jesus even revealed it openly in His Revelation with showing Satan will ascend out of the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses (Rev.11), and that Satan is the Destroyer and angel of the bottomless pit per Rev.9:11.

 

[WilliamL]

John wrote of a singular antichrist who was to come in the future.

But John did not PROPHESY about "a singular antichrist who was to come in the future." Big difference. He merely mentioned the rumor going around -- "you have heard" -- but he notably did not say he agreed. On the contrary, he contradicted it, saying in the same sentence, "many antichrists have come." So please, keep to what the context says, not what you want it to say.

1 John 2:18 actually does have the before antichrist. I've bolded the words.

παιδία εσχάτη ώρα εστί και καθώς ηκούσατε ότι ο αντίχριστος έρχεται και νυν αντίχριστοι πολλοί γεγόνασιν όθεν γινώσκομεν ότι εσχάτη ώρα εστίν

Same answer as above.

1. 2 Thess.2:3-4, 8, 9 -- is about the singular "antichrist", coming to exalt himself in a stone temple in Jerusalem for the end, as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped. That is the role of the false one coming to mimic Christ's future return.

This passage is about the Son of Perdition/Man of Sin/Lawlessness, who will be destroyed at the Parousia of Christ, verse 8. The Beast and the False Prophet do not come on the scene until the Abyss is opened at the 5th Trumpet, AFTER the Parousia, so those are entirely different antichrists (two of them); both separate from the Son of Perdition, who is also an antichrist. So three antichrists in the End Times here already, not to mention Gog and Satan himself. Count 'em.

Like most, you have not studied out the exclusive use of the term Parousia in the NT. Here, if you are willing, is an article that will provide all of the essential uses:

The Parousia of the Son of Man Reviews the use of the term parousia by Jesus, Paul, and Peter, and what is thereby revealed about the sequence of End Time events. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2211-the-parousia-of-the-son-of-man/

 

[ewq1938]

But John did not PROPHESY about "a singular antichrist who was to come in the future."

Yes he did, and he compared the one future AC to the then current many AC's. There should be NO SURPRISE when reading other accounts of the endtimes with a single grand leader of the world like Daniel's little horn and Paul's man of sin and John's Rev account of the false prophet (with two little horns). Both working miracles to deceive people.

 

[DavyP]

But John did not PROPHESY about "a singular antichrist who was to come in the future." Big difference. He merely mentioned the rumor going around -- "you have heard" -- but he notably did not say he agreed. On the contrary, he contradicted it, saying in the same sentence, "many antichrists have come." So please, keep to what the context says, not what you want it to say.

By that you are suggesting that John's mention that they had heard "antichrist" shall come was just myth. That would make the doctrine of the "many antichrists" he mentioned as just a myth also. That is not how God's Word works. We cannot just up and assign mythical workings to a Truth in God's Word that His Apostles gave under the unction of The Holy Spirit.

What you have succumbed to is a doctrine of men about the idea of antichrist. Those men want to change God's Word about the warning of a supernatural working "antichrist" like Lord Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24:23-26, and in His Book of Revelation.

Some men on earth today try to establish as fact that Christ's Kingdom has already come on earth today, and that the world is going to get better, progress, and get better and better until all the world converts to Jesus Christ, a type of Universalism. That just isn't the reality, not today, and not in any time during this present world. And that kind of idea is nowhere written of in God's Word. Apostle Peter revealed that this present world is preserved unto destruction by God's consuming fire, and that there's plenty enough Bible prophecy we are given about the very end of this world to know that Satan is coming to setup a mimic kingdom of Christ's future Kingdom.