Tonight's Presidential Debate

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seed_time_harvest said:
Trump lost the first debate so should Trump do a second debate?
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That's what all the Leftis are saying and of course you would believe them (being one yourself). No he did not lose that debate and his numbers with independents post-debate actually WENT UP. But you will not see this information from the biased mainstream media. Newsmax reported truthfully:
Rasmussen: Trump Leads Harris After Debate
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/polls-election-donald-trump/2024/09/13/id/1180219/
READ THE ARTICLE IF YOU DARE.

Just about everyone was disgusted with the three-on-one nonsense in this ABC venue. And even a Clinton adviser has said that ABC should be thoroughly investigated for their unprofessional handling of the debate.
ResidentAlien said:
Should he do another one? Yes, of course; the American people deserve to hear from the candidates.
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Your bias always shows. You are blaming Trump about everything being about himself. But you forgot to mention that (a) Harris was "interviewed" by Dana Bash to make her look good not to show voters her policies, (b) Harris dodged Fox news and Trump had to hold A Town Hall meeting, and (c) if Trump now insisted that the next debate can only be at Fox News (which is his right), with Hannity and Watters as moderators, and mics muted as required (but ignored by ABC) she would run away from that. She simply lied, and lied, and lied, and the ABC moderators let her get away with her lies. She won't be able to do that at Fox.
 
seed_time_harvest said:
Trump lost the first debate so should Trump do a second debate?
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Here you go buddy. Just trying to help.

Another day, another election rigging scandal.

(1) Leading Report on X: "BREAKING: ABC whistleblower allegedly will release an affidavit claiming the Harris campaign was given sample questions that were “essentially the same questions that were given during the debate,” as well as assurances that Trump would be “fact-checked” and she would not." / X

BREAKING: ABC whistleblower allegedly will release an affidavit claiming the Harris campaign was given sample questions that were “essentially the same questions that were given during the debate,” as well as assurances that Trump would be “fact-checked” and she would not.

(1) Insurrection Barbie on X: "The sorority sister is the moderator. The best friend is head of the network lol. Epic backfire. https://t.co/r7KiqFi8yN" / X

(1) Sir Maejor 🇺🇸 on X: "This explains why Kamala Harris didn’t get asked any hard questions, her sorority -sister was the moderator. https://t.co/Qdg3NX8Lds" / X
 
JayBird said:
Well @ZNP you've certainly shown who you are.

All of this racist fear mongering continues to have very real consequences. Today two Springfield elementary schools had to be evacuated and a middle school was forced to close, all due to more bomb threats (in addition to the ones from yesterday).

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/bomb-...buildings-springfield-ohio/story?id=113619803

The mayor said there's a lot of fear in Springfield in the wake of the threats.​
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"This is a very concerning time for our citizens, and frankly, a lot of people are tired of just, you know, the things that have been spread about our community that are just negative and not true. We need help, not hate," Rue told ABC News on Friday.​
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The mayor said he believes these threats are directly connected to the baseless rumors spread online in the wake of viral social media posts claiming Haitian migrants were abducting people's pets in Springfield order to eat them. The rumors were amplified by right-wing politicians, including former President Donald Trump and his running mate Sen. JD Vance.​
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And sadly as this forum shows, it's not just the Trump campaign that's spreading the hate, it's Christians as well (although I see absolutely no Christ-like love in any of their posts).

I hope at least some here will ask themselves if this is how Christ wants us to be. Scripture is abundantly clear about how we are to treat the stranger, our neighbor, and the least among us. When Jesus said that how you treat the least among you is how you treat Him, He wasn't kidding.
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If you could answer truthfully it would be much appreciated,

Would you be feeling the "love" when the government places about 20 foreigners in your home to take care of, some of whom are serious criminals without your consent?
 
ZNP said:
I have a simple solution. Just raise the minimum wage to $250,000 an hour. Then the tax on our pay would be enough to pay the debt to 0.

The only downside is our dollar would be worthless and no one would be willing to trust us ever again. So no more loans, no international trade. But since we are the biggest consumer nation in the world that would impact them every bit as much as it would impact us. People would ditch the US dollar as worthless, but at least we would be debt free and then we could start pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps.
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Well......one many consider looking at the alternatives.
When the USD goes to the dogs, what actually is the "price" of......anything?

Not financial advice. I am an idiot. But not a useful one.

(1) Northstar on X: "GOLD - Forget ALL of your fairytale narratives. They're a waste of time & effort. The gold chart itself told us what would happen 5 years ago. IT IS STILL TELLING US. IT WILL ALWAYS TELL US #Gold #Silver #Preciousmetals https://t.co/eoIaN9i3I9" / X
 
ResidentAlien said:
Should he do another one? Yes, of course; the American people deserve to hear from the candidates. But with Trump it's all about him; the people don't count for much.

According to him, he won the debate, lol. He's saying since he won there's no need to do another one. Harris wants another one; I suspect the Donald will keep milking the "I won" angle as long as he can. If his polling gets to the point where he has nothing to lose, he might do another one. That's my guess anyway.
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Do you think the debate should be on Fox with Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum as moderators? Do you think Harris would agree to a fair debate without her sorority sister as a moderator and real follow-up questions?
 
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HeIsHere said:
If you could answer truthfully it would be much appreciated,

Would you be feeling the "love" when the government places about 20 foreigners in your house some of whom are serious criminals without your consent?
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Here is the problem:

Illegal immigration is by definition.....illegal.
Supporting illegal immigration is aiding and abetting criminal activity ipso facto.

But....but...the criminal intent and activities go MUCH deeper.
Like treason and conspiracy at the highest levels. Like election fraud. Like aiding and abetting the underground pedophile network.
Like making a fortune on human trafficking.

I have great pity and empathy for those poor souls caught up in these vast criminal enterprises.
And they would be the migrants themselves who are casualties in a geopolitical war. And mere pawns and marks who criminals both great and petty prey upon.
 
cv5 said:
Here is the problem:

Illegal immigration is by definition.....illegal.
Supporting illegal immigration is aiding and abetting criminal activity ipso facto.

But....but...the criminal intent and activities go MUCH deeper.
Like treason and conspiracy at the highest levels. Like election fraud. Like aiding and abetting the underground pedophile network.
Like making a fortune on human trafficking.

I have great pity and empathy for those poor souls caught up in these vast criminal enterprises.
And they would be the migrants themselves who are casualties in a geopolitical war. And mere pawns and marks who criminals both great and petty prey upon.
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Yes I understand this.

I am just asking @JayBird where is his love?

He seems to want to indict all of us as being unloving because we prefer to not have people enter the country illegally and without the supporting infrastructure.

So what is he doing about helping these people?

 
 
Robert F. Kennedy Jr on X: "Kamala Harris: "He [Musk] has lost his privileges." Can someone please explain to her that freedom of speech is a RIGHT, not a "privilege"? Kamala Harris: "There has to be a responsibility placed on these social media sites to understand their power." Translation: "If they" / X

Kamala Harris: "He [Musk] has lost his privileges."

Can someone please explain to her that freedom of speech is a RIGHT, not a "privilege"?

Kamala Harris: "There has to be a responsibility placed on these social media sites to understand their power."

Translation: "If they don't police content to conform to government-approved narratives, they will be shut down."
 
HeIsHere said:
Yes I understand this.

I am just asking @JayBird where is his love?

He seems to want to indict all of us as being unloving because we prefer to not have people enter the country illegally and without the supporting infrastructure.

So what is he doing about helping these people?

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You may want to consider who this person really is, what he is really doing, and why he is really here.

I have my suspicions predicated upon patterns of behavior.
 
ZNP said:
While looking into what is going on in Springfield I learned that not all have an issue with the 20,000 immigrants. Dole packing plant refused to comment but they hire quite a few of the immigrants. Another factory owner did comment. He said that 10% of his employees are the immigrants and that they work very hard, they don't have a drug problem, and if he could hire more he would. Also the landlords of apartment buildings were not talking either but apparently they are now making more money. They turned their apartments into dormitories and charge by the bed rather than the apartment and so make considerably more while at the same time it is considerably cheaper for the immigrants to live and work. Instead of two or three in an apartment they can have as many as twenty, which of course violates fire codes and strains the resources, but does make the landlord more money. This can also explain why the city council and Mayor have supported this.

I think in some respects this is very good. My main concern is that the immigrants are not being treated abusively. All OSHA regulations and other laws about minimum wage should be observed. I also think the citizens of the town need to have their concerns about safety respected, particularly about people who are driving without a license and without insurance.

Of course this does raise another issue about drug use in this country and of course that also is related to the border crisis, but I don't think we need to blame workers at these factories for that. So the issues are related only because they both are a result of how security at the border is being handled.

As usual the truth lies somewhere between the two extremes. Although it is true that in a very few, apparently isolated cases, some people may be killing pets, that is hardly the main concern of everyone. The real concern is being replaced by immigrants. Some complain they cannot get a job, some complain that they cannot get a place to live, and almost everyone is complaining about how dangerous the streets are with people who don't have a license to drive, don't speak english and don't have insurance. In addition there is a very big strain on the government resources which impacts everyone.
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And there we have it. Local politicians and businessmen doing the $$$ dollar dance $$$ and $$$ double dipping $$$ .

Of course, your suspicions were founded upon reality.

And TAXPAYERS are footing the bill. Pillaging the tax base like this is the biggest racket in America.

(1) Matthew J. Peterson on X: "Do you know the story about cats and dogs in Springfield, Ohio? The story is SO MUCH bigger than that. @JackPosobiec tells us the darker truth behind the viral memes. @Julio_Rosas11 and @CBedfordDC have the latest https://t.co/2WClytf1pa https://t.co/acocqOrwwU" / X
 
cv5 said:
You may want to consider who this person really is, what he is really doing, and why he is really here.

I have my suspicions predicated upon patterns of behavior.
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So I probably will not get an honest answer then, oh well.

Interesting... I think there are several suspicious accounts at the moment. :unsure:
 
Anonymous allegations are to be taken with a pinch of salt. I do NOT trust them.
Affected parties must wait for a legitimate investigation and high quality testimony.

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cv5 said:
Anonymous allegations are to be taken with a pinch of salt. I do NOT trust them.
Affected parties must wait for a legitimate investigation and high quality testimony.

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You've gotta have freedom of speech with protections for the speakers, first. Or anonymous information is the best you are going to get most of the time. The difference between tyranny and freedom - in degrees, of course.
 
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HeIsHere said:
So I probably will not get an honest answer then, oh well.

Interesting... I think there are several suspicious accounts at the moment. :unsure:
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Yup. And I suspect that there is monitoring (if not actual blogging) going on by FBI and other spooky agents, including foreign entities like CCP, Canadian RCMP etc. Or attaches/contractors of these entities.

To them I would say: do the right thing and preserve the sacrosanct right of free speech for the sake of your children.

And warn them that in the Weimar hyperinflation and societal collapse, it was the CIVIL SERVANTS who fared the worst and lost everything. You know......government employees, cops, tax collectors etc.
 
Moses_Young said:
You've gotta have freedom of speech with protections for the speakers, first. Or anonymous information is the best you are going to get most of the time. The difference between tyranny and freedom - in degrees, of course.
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You don't believe anonymous reports, but you can certainly investigate them. Is there an 800% increase in HIV/AIDS cases at the hospital? Easy to verify.

Is there a 500% increase in TB? Easy to verify.

Are thefts up 15000%? Easy to verify.
 
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