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I'm agreeing to how they map after you asked why I wouldn't be more concerned about the innocent people that were murdered by Shukr. Hilarious how we're having a meta discussion about this. I'll break it down so you'll understand.
You brought up the camel and the gnat because you asked a loaded question which implied I don't concern myself with the victims of Shukr. Shukr maps to gnat and his victims apply to the camel. I told you it was a strawman to imply/assume I'm not "more concerned" with the camel (the victims of Shukr) because I never said I didn't... I ignored it BECAUSE (using the gnat and the camel you brought up), the victims would clearly be the camel. We all grieve for them, including Penned. The point he and I were discussing was if Shukr was a "gnat" (using the gnat and camel reference from Jesus).
So you and I are in agreement on how they map. You agreed I never said I am not concerned more with the victims of Shukr which renders your loaded question of why you think I'm swallowing the camel but straining the gnat useless. Lastly, my post initially had nothing to do with the gnat and the camel, you MISTAKENLY thought it did because you assumed/implied I'm swallowing the camel but straining the gnat.
It would be the equivalent of this type of conversation:
Smoke: Hey ZNP, why are you okay with murdering people when God clearly commanded that we not murder?
ZNP: Huh? I didn't say it was okay to murder though... Why would you think I'm okay with murdering people?
Smoke: Because you DIDN'T say it was wrong in your completely separate and different conversation with Penned.
ZNP: That's because I wasn't talking about murder at all... And God didn't ask me why I'm okay with murder, YOU did.
Smoke: No, God commanded us not to murder. I'm simply the delivery boy.
You brought up the camel and the gnat because you asked a loaded question which implied I don't concern myself with the victims of Shukr. Shukr maps to gnat and his victims apply to the camel. I told you it was a strawman to imply/assume I'm not "more concerned" with the camel (the victims of Shukr) because I never said I didn't... I ignored it BECAUSE (using the gnat and the camel you brought up), the victims would clearly be the camel. We all grieve for them, including Penned. The point he and I were discussing was if Shukr was a "gnat" (using the gnat and camel reference from Jesus).
So you and I are in agreement on how they map. You agreed I never said I am not concerned more with the victims of Shukr which renders your loaded question of why you think I'm swallowing the camel but straining the gnat useless. Lastly, my post initially had nothing to do with the gnat and the camel, you MISTAKENLY thought it did because you assumed/implied I'm swallowing the camel but straining the gnat.
It would be the equivalent of this type of conversation:
Smoke: Hey ZNP, why are you okay with murdering people when God clearly commanded that we not murder?
ZNP: Huh? I didn't say it was okay to murder though... Why would you think I'm okay with murdering people?
Smoke: Because you DIDN'T say it was wrong in your completely separate and different conversation with Penned.
ZNP: That's because I wasn't talking about murder at all... And God didn't ask me why I'm okay with murder, YOU did.
Smoke: No, God commanded us not to murder. I'm simply the delivery boy.
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God weeps for the disobedient and His children as well. He weeps for the lost. Its a primary theme in the Bible.
Jer 13:15
Hear ye, and give ear; be not proud: for the LORD hath spoken.
Jer 13:16
Give glory to the LORD your God, before he cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness.
Jer 13:17
But if ye will not hear it, my soul shall weep in secret places for your pride; and mine eye shall weep sore, and run down with tears, because the LORD'S flock is carried away captive.
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Again.....
Luk 19:41
And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42
Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43
For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44
And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
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Absalom is a type of........Satan. The typology is God weeping for His fallen cherub. Yes, that is the intended imagery.
God WEEPS even for the fallen angelic host. That is the true heart of God.
Pity. Mercy. Longsuffering. Eager to forgive. Desiring repentance and reconciliation. No wishing that anyone should perish.
2Sa 18:33
And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said, O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!
2Pe 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Jer 13:15
Hear ye, and give ear; be not proud: for the LORD hath spoken.
Jer 13:16
Give glory to the LORD your God, before he cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness.
Jer 13:17
But if ye will not hear it, my soul shall weep in secret places for your pride; and mine eye shall weep sore, and run down with tears, because the LORD'S flock is carried away captive.
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Again.....
Luk 19:41
And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42
Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43
For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44
And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
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Absalom is a type of........Satan. The typology is God weeping for His fallen cherub. Yes, that is the intended imagery.
God WEEPS even for the fallen angelic host. That is the true heart of God.
Pity. Mercy. Longsuffering. Eager to forgive. Desiring repentance and reconciliation. No wishing that anyone should perish.
2Sa 18:33
And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said, O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!
2Pe 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
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Jesus God loves His brethren the Jews. Weeps for them. Cares for them. Always has, always will.
We should do the same. And we should pray for them, like we do for the rest of the souls in the world.
However we do NOT have to agree with their sins and misdeeds. Those are for the Judge of All to deal with.
We should do the same. And we should pray for them, like we do for the rest of the souls in the world.
However we do NOT have to agree with their sins and misdeeds. Those are for the Judge of All to deal with.
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How about answering my question. 
Why was God so specific about the land that he promised to Abe?
Why was God so specific about the land that he promised to Abe?
Your problem precedes mine because you insist the land promise is unfulfilled and 1948 was the beginning of the fulfillment, so again where is the leader appointed by God, it should be in the Book of Revelation right?
For God so loved the world. Yes, the Jews are a part of the world, but by making them out to be the focus of God's love rather than the whole world, you are in my view perverting God's message of salvation - which is to all men.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
And by implying unbelieving (so-called) Jews are His brethren, you are directly contradicting what Jesus says in Matthew.
Matthew 12:46-49
While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
To my thinking, to treat someone differently because he claims to be a Jew (and no one can prove this since the destruction of the temple in 70AD), is to undermine the teaching of the apostles, that we are all one in Christ Jesus. And such diversions from the truth eventually lead to heresy.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
And by implying unbelieving (so-called) Jews are His brethren, you are directly contradicting what Jesus says in Matthew.
Matthew 12:46-49
While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
To my thinking, to treat someone differently because he claims to be a Jew (and no one can prove this since the destruction of the temple in 70AD), is to undermine the teaching of the apostles, that we are all one in Christ Jesus. And such diversions from the truth eventually lead to heresy.
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I support Israel because our heavenly father calls them his people, His beloved, and the apple of his eye. Then, there are many verses about woe unto those who oppose Israel.
Israel has always had many warring people in it and around it. The Bible identifies these people as descendants of Ishmael Esau and Lot's children, who became the Moabites, Ammonites, and Edomites mixed with the Egyptians, Hittites, and Philistines.
In Genesis 16:12, "He shall be a wild man; His hand shall be against every man, And every man's hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." This verse tells us the temperament of the Arabs. But anything is possible with God, and millions convert from Islam to Christianity each year.
"And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation." The Arabs have 7 Sheikhs, 2 kings, 2 emirs, and 1 sultan. There are now 1.8 billion Muslims worldwide and 15.7 million Jews.
Thus, God's promise is fulfilled. Genesis 22:17 "That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;"
The LORD is righteous in all his ways, And holy in all his works God's promise is fulfilled."
God put the Israelites and the children on Ishmael there. If they don't get along it's because God doesn't want them to get along. After all, is he not the God that sees the past and future and the ending before the beginning?
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1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
All those who believe in Jesus are part of the Israel of God - He is the vine, we are the branches. God's promises are fulfilled in Jesus, and extended through Him to all who believe in His name. Those wanting to attribute God's promises to unbelievers outside of Jesus the Christ (e.g. those claiming some or all of God's promises extend to those who claim to be Jews, but are not) are pushing a heretical replacement theology.
All those who believe in Jesus are part of the Israel of God - He is the vine, we are the branches. God's promises are fulfilled in Jesus, and extended through Him to all who believe in His name. Those wanting to attribute God's promises to unbelievers outside of Jesus the Christ (e.g. those claiming some or all of God's promises extend to those who claim to be Jews, but are not) are pushing a heretical replacement theology.
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Love It!! Bravo!!
But I previously never understood why claiming that Jews and Gentiles are one in Christ Jesus bore the accusation from Zionists and their useful idiots of "replacement theology". But now I do. They themselves - those claiming to be Jews but who are not - are conducting this crime, trying to replace the promises God made to Jesus and Christians (and obviously Jewish Christians and Old Testament saints), and claiming these promises for themselves - the counterfeit Jews.
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Wow you have really hit the nail on the head here. BRAVO AGAIN!
Christians have fallen prey to the largest deception PsyOps of all time, starting in the mid 1800's with the "Christian" Z****t movement.
It was not Christian, when Jesus came the Old Testament and everything in it was fulfilled and the rest fulfilled in 70 AD.
Which tells me God did not take to kindly to the rejection of the Messiah.
When you have been delivered it is absolutely frustrating to see people under this delusion.
Christians have fallen prey to the largest deception PsyOps of all time, starting in the mid 1800's with the "Christian" Z****t movement.
It was not Christian, when Jesus came the Old Testament and everything in it was fulfilled and the rest fulfilled in 70 AD.
Which tells me God did not take to kindly to the rejection of the Messiah.
When you have been delivered it is absolutely frustrating to see people under this delusion.
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Q: Did The Father call the descendants of Jacob "His people"?
A: Yes
Q: Did The Father say those descendants were "NOT His people" sometime afterward?
A: Yes.
Hosea 1:9
And the LORD said, “Name him Lo-ammi, for you are not My people, and I am not your God."
The Almighty gave ancient Israel a certificate of divorce (Jeremiah 3:8)...but as we read through both Hosea and Jeremiah, there is a promise to remarry Israel and promise that they will once again be called His people.
But only in the Western-influenced, modern world does an ex-wife get to claim the benefits (and name) from her former marriage to the ex-husband. But this wasn't true in the ancient world, during the time of the scriptures. Divorce meant she was cut off. Maybe this is why it's so difficult for some of us to understand that The State of Israel isn't "Israel" and doesn't get the benefits of being The Almighty's people simply because "once upon a time..."; today, we condone passing benefits outside of covenants so what we're seeing doesn't seem like a perversion of scripture.
No, The Almighty operates in decency and in order. None of the benefits these particular people have received are from the Former Husband outside of a covenant, rather they are from their current one
Believing in the Messiah is critically important for people to marry The Almighty and receive His blessings because He is bound to His Word. The Almighty can't break His Word.
The Law of Marriage is "if you divorce your spouse to marry another you are no longer allowed to remarry the former spouse as long as you both shall live because such is considered adultery (and thus an abomination)" since marriage is for life in Almighty's eyes.
Thus the only way to fulfill The Almighty's promise to the descendants is for both parties to die. It is a reset. This is what Paul explains in Romans 7.
- The Husband died on the Cross.
- The Wife must also die by faith to the world (forsaking her current lover) and believe in what the Groom did/does.
- And then both enter into covenant, without which, there is no passing of benefits.
Until this happens, she does not get a right to reclaim the benefits of The Husband's name, property, or wealth. The Almighty would never be behind it else it breaks His law and the scriptures. Thus, those currently in the land are not His people. He never previously covenanted with them so they wouldn't be bound from controling the land by His unbreakable Word.
Either the scriptures are a lie or those people in the land are. It's the god of this world who's given them all that they have; maintained through lies, theft, and murder, the very trades that he deals in. They are his people, the synagogue of satan, claiming to be Jews but are not and do lie (Rev 2:9 & 3:9).
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Disclaimer: I'm speaking generally about a government and/or nation group, not about any individual born again through belief in the Messiah; grafted in, regardless of their blood heritage to those people.
A: Yes
Q: Did The Father say those descendants were "NOT His people" sometime afterward?
A: Yes.
Hosea 1:9
And the LORD said, “Name him Lo-ammi, for you are not My people, and I am not your God."
The Almighty gave ancient Israel a certificate of divorce (Jeremiah 3:8)...but as we read through both Hosea and Jeremiah, there is a promise to remarry Israel and promise that they will once again be called His people.
But only in the Western-influenced, modern world does an ex-wife get to claim the benefits (and name) from her former marriage to the ex-husband. But this wasn't true in the ancient world, during the time of the scriptures. Divorce meant she was cut off. Maybe this is why it's so difficult for some of us to understand that The State of Israel isn't "Israel" and doesn't get the benefits of being The Almighty's people simply because "once upon a time..."; today, we condone passing benefits outside of covenants so what we're seeing doesn't seem like a perversion of scripture.
No, The Almighty operates in decency and in order. None of the benefits these particular people have received are from the Former Husband outside of a covenant, rather they are from their current one
Believing in the Messiah is critically important for people to marry The Almighty and receive His blessings because He is bound to His Word. The Almighty can't break His Word.
The Law of Marriage is "if you divorce your spouse to marry another you are no longer allowed to remarry the former spouse as long as you both shall live because such is considered adultery (and thus an abomination)" since marriage is for life in Almighty's eyes.
Thus the only way to fulfill The Almighty's promise to the descendants is for both parties to die. It is a reset. This is what Paul explains in Romans 7.
- The Husband died on the Cross.
- The Wife must also die by faith to the world (forsaking her current lover) and believe in what the Groom did/does.
- And then both enter into covenant, without which, there is no passing of benefits.
Until this happens, she does not get a right to reclaim the benefits of The Husband's name, property, or wealth. The Almighty would never be behind it else it breaks His law and the scriptures. Thus, those currently in the land are not His people. He never previously covenanted with them so they wouldn't be bound from controling the land by His unbreakable Word.
Either the scriptures are a lie or those people in the land are. It's the god of this world who's given them all that they have; maintained through lies, theft, and murder, the very trades that he deals in. They are his people, the synagogue of satan, claiming to be Jews but are not and do lie (Rev 2:9 & 3:9).
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Disclaimer: I'm speaking generally about a government and/or nation group, not about any individual born again through belief in the Messiah; grafted in, regardless of their blood heritage to those people.
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Q: Did The Father call the descendants of Jacob "His people"?
A: Yes
Q: Did The Father say those descendants were "NOT His people" sometime afterward?
A: Yes.
Hosea 1:9
And the LORD said, “Name him Lo-ammi, for you are not My people, and I am not your God."
The Almighty gave ancient Israel a certificate of divorce (Jeremiah 3:8)...but as we read through both Hosea and Jeremiah, there is a promise to remarry Israel and promise that they will once again be called His people.
But only in the Western-influenced, modern world does an ex-wife get to claim the benefits (and name) from her former marriage to the ex-husband. But this wasn't true in the ancient world, during the time of the scriptures. Divorce meant she was cut off. Maybe this is why it's so difficult for some of us to understand that The State of Israel isn't "Israel" and doesn't get the benefits of being The Almighty's people simply because "once upon a time..."; today, we condone passing benefits outside of covenants so what we're seeing doesn't seem like a perversion of scripture.
No, The Almighty operates in decency and in order. None of the benefits these particular people have received are from the Former Husband outside of a covenant, rather they are from their current one
Believing in the Messiah is critically important for people to marry The Almighty and receive His blessings because He is bound to His Word. The Almighty can't break His Word.
The Law of Marriage is "if you divorce your spouse to marry another you are no longer allowed to remarry the former spouse as long as you both shall live because such is considered adultery (and thus an abomination)" since marriage is for life in Almighty's eyes.
Thus the only way to fulfill The Almighty's promise to the descendants is for both parties to die. It is a reset. This is what Paul explains in Romans 7.
- The Husband died on the Cross.
- The Wife must also die by faith to the world (forsaking her current lover) and believe in what the Groom did/does.
- And then both enter into covenant, without which, there is no passing of benefits.
Until this happens, she does not get a right to reclaim the benefits of The Husband's name, property, or wealth. The Almighty would never be behind it else it breaks His law and the scriptures. Thus, those currently in the land are not His people. He never previously covenanted with them so they wouldn't be bound from controling the land by His unbreakable Word.
Either the scriptures are a lie or those people in the land are. It's the god of this world who's given them all that they have; maintained through lies, theft, and murder, the very trades that he deals in. They are his people, the synagogue of satan, claiming to be Jews but are not and do lie (Rev 2:9 & 3:9).
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Disclaimer: I'm speaking generally about a government and/or nation group, not about any individual born again through belief in the Messiah; grafted in, regardless of their blood heritage to those people.
A: Yes
Q: Did The Father say those descendants were "NOT His people" sometime afterward?
A: Yes.
Hosea 1:9
And the LORD said, “Name him Lo-ammi, for you are not My people, and I am not your God."
The Almighty gave ancient Israel a certificate of divorce (Jeremiah 3:8)...but as we read through both Hosea and Jeremiah, there is a promise to remarry Israel and promise that they will once again be called His people.
But only in the Western-influenced, modern world does an ex-wife get to claim the benefits (and name) from her former marriage to the ex-husband. But this wasn't true in the ancient world, during the time of the scriptures. Divorce meant she was cut off. Maybe this is why it's so difficult for some of us to understand that The State of Israel isn't "Israel" and doesn't get the benefits of being The Almighty's people simply because "once upon a time..."; today, we condone passing benefits outside of covenants so what we're seeing doesn't seem like a perversion of scripture.
No, The Almighty operates in decency and in order. None of the benefits these particular people have received are from the Former Husband outside of a covenant, rather they are from their current one
Believing in the Messiah is critically important for people to marry The Almighty and receive His blessings because He is bound to His Word. The Almighty can't break His Word.
The Law of Marriage is "if you divorce your spouse to marry another you are no longer allowed to remarry the former spouse as long as you both shall live because such is considered adultery (and thus an abomination)" since marriage is for life in Almighty's eyes.
Thus the only way to fulfill The Almighty's promise to the descendants is for both parties to die. It is a reset. This is what Paul explains in Romans 7.
- The Husband died on the Cross.
- The Wife must also die by faith to the world (forsaking her current lover) and believe in what the Groom did/does.
- And then both enter into covenant, without which, there is no passing of benefits.
Until this happens, she does not get a right to reclaim the benefits of The Husband's name, property, or wealth. The Almighty would never be behind it else it breaks His law and the scriptures. Thus, those currently in the land are not His people. He never previously covenanted with them so they wouldn't be bound from controling the land by His unbreakable Word.
Either the scriptures are a lie or those people in the land are. It's the god of this world who's given them all that they have; maintained through lies, theft, and murder, the very trades that he deals in. They are his people, the synagogue of satan, claiming to be Jews but are not and do lie (Rev 2:9 & 3:9).
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Disclaimer: I'm speaking generally about a government and/or nation group, not about any individual born again through belief in the Messiah; grafted in, regardless of their blood heritage to those people.
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True Israel doesn't get to claim the land outside of belief in the Messiah. The Messiah was clear about this, Paul was clear about this, the pages of OT scripture are clear, and members here have been clear.
If they were truly Israel, they would not be in the land right now without Messiah. The Almighty wouldn't allow such an event to break the Word He gave regarding them.
Thus....hence....ergo...vis a vis...concordantly... those who are in control of the land are not true Israel.
True Israel is bound by heaven from reclaiming the land by the Word of Almighty.
Again, what is His word? "Believe in Messiah first."
No one else on earth was bound like this regarding that land. Thus, anyone else ....absolutely anyone else would be able to claim the land instead. And it doesn't matter what those people call themselves. They never broke the covenant so they aren't restricted from the land.
The scriptures can't be broken.
Let Almighty be true and everyone else a liar.
If they were truly Israel, they would not be in the land right now without Messiah. The Almighty wouldn't allow such an event to break the Word He gave regarding them.
Thus....hence....ergo...vis a vis...concordantly... those who are in control of the land are not true Israel.
True Israel is bound by heaven from reclaiming the land by the Word of Almighty.
Again, what is His word? "Believe in Messiah first."
No one else on earth was bound like this regarding that land. Thus, anyone else ....absolutely anyone else would be able to claim the land instead. And it doesn't matter what those people call themselves. They never broke the covenant so they aren't restricted from the land.
The scriptures can't be broken.
Let Almighty be true and everyone else a liar.
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