Please help me to respond to some of my non-trinitarian friends

[tourist]

Is God a man?

No, God is God.

 

[SomeDisciple]

Is God a man?

God is not a man; but there is a man who is God.

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

Hebrews 1:3

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

This book distinguishes Jesus from the Father as distinct "persons" as we see here. It uses that third person possessive pronoun to say that Jesus is the express image of the Father's person. There's the Son's person and there's the Father's person. Throughout the Old and NT we see the distinct persons of the Father described, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

So God Almighty purged sins?

 

[Genez]

No, God is God.

How can you know God, then? God transcends everything you are.
If we had no words to convey thoughts? Could we know God?

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

God is not a man; but there is a man who is God.

And that man died. Did God die?

 

[Genez]

God is not a man; but there is a man who is God.

A man who is also God.

For He can be a man if He so chooses to be! (Philippians 2:6-8)
And, he can be God when not needing to be as a man.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

So God Almighty purged sins?

Yes, by His own blood on the cross.
He suffered the torture and pain that we deserve for those sins. He was crucified so we can choose to receive the gift of salvation/ Everlasting life that He purchased and secured when he bodily arose on the third day.

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

Man's soul is created in God's image.

Since no one can see God (John 1:18) ? God must use a means to make Himself knowable to us.

God's genius utilizes the humanity of Christ to manifest all we can possibly know about God,
by manifesting God in a way we have the capacity to relate to and understand as humans.

That is why a Greek word that means "exegesis" is used in John 1:18.
Its to tell us that Jesus is God's means to exegete God for man's understanding.

The Amplified Bible even translated John 1:18 with that factor of exegesis in mind.

Here is a typical translation.
It is lacking in the depth needed to convey exegesis.

New International Version

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​

and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.​

And here is what the Amplified Bible provides to give us closer understanding to what is intended in the Greek.

No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten ​

God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him ​

[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him ​

and He has made Him known]. John 1:18 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition​

​

That is why Jesus made it known to his disciples....

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? ​

Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? ​

John 14:9


Since God when unfiltered and interpreted would be incomprehensible to man?
God has His Son (humanity and God in union) to exegete what he knows, and we can not understand.
Unless it is demonstrated and explained to us in a manner that we as humans are being able to grasp.

In other words? If Jesus is not God? He is all the God we can know! That is why He is the Word. For we use words to comprehend
reality. God simply knows all things. God does not really need to speak within the Trinity. The Trinity is always knowing all things without need for explanation.

Is Jesus the Father?

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

Yes, by His own blood on the cross.
He suffered the torture and pain that we deserve for those sins. He was crucified so we can choose to receive the gift of salvation/ Everlasting life that He purchased and secured when he bodily arose on the third day.

Wow! So therefore, according to you, God died?

 

[Genez]

And that man died. Did God die?

No, God can not die.
Nor did God need to die. (which would have been impossible)

Jesus, being a union of God and humanity, adjusted himself to be a man. (Philippians 2:6-8)
A man who died as the substitute for all men.

I ask you…

Can an amphibious car be a boat? Yes.
But, the boat aspect of the amphibious car in itself is not a car.

.......

 

[tourist]

How can you know God, then? God transcends everything you are.
If we had no words to convey thoughts? Could we know God?

I learn about God by reading His word and try to apply it in my life.

 

[Genez]

Is Jesus the Father?

Jesus is being the translator of God whom we can not see, and revealing God to us in "human speak."

Instead of being bilingual.
Jesus is uniquely bi-natured.

Being bi-natured he knows and can express two different natures.
One nature we can not understand as men unless he translates it for us into human terms.

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest ​

relationship with the Father, has made him known.*​

​

*He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; ​

He has interpreted Him, and He has made Him known].​

​

John 1:18​

Jesus through his humanity translates God to us in "human" terms.
Presenting God in ways that we as men can and will understand.

.......

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

No, God can not die.
Nor did God need to die. (which would have been impossible)

Jesus, being a union of God and humanity, adjusted himself to be a man. (Philippians 2:6-8)
A man who died as the substitute for all men.

I ask you…

Can an amphibious car be a boat? Yes.
But, the boat aspect of the amphibious car in itself is not a car.

.......

So God came in the PERSON of the Jesus Christ which makes the Biblical definition of a person a human.

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

Jesus is being the translator of God whom we can not see, and revealing God to us in "human speak."

Instead of being bilingual.
Jesus is uniquely bi-natured.

Being bi-natured he knows and can express two different natures.
One nature we can not understand as men unless he translates it for us into human terms.

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest ​

relationship with the Father, has made him known.*​

​

*He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; ​

He has interpreted Him, and He has made Him known].​

​

John 1:18​

Jesus through his humanity translates God to us in "human" terms.
Presenting God in ways that we as men can and will understand.

.......

Is Jesus the Father? Not speaking of His flesh.

 

[Genez]

I learn about God by reading His word and try to apply it in my life.

That is why we read John 1:1-2 as follows.

In the beginning was the Word [Logos], and the Word [Logos] was with God,
and the Word [Logos] was God. He was with God in the beginning.​

Logos means 'communication by which ideas are transmitted/transferred'.
Christ is the expresser of all bible doctrine (I Corinthians 2: 16). Logos is the concept that controls the universe . . .
Infinity . . . The supreme mover is the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is also the outward manifestation/appearance of the invisible God the Father. Logos represents the intelligence, express thought and vocabulary by which thinking species organize words into concepts, categories etc. Finally, Logos expresses Order/design/purpose.

 

[Genez]

So God came in the PERSON of the Jesus Christ which makes the Biblical definition of a person a human.

Even before the Incarnation, the Lord God of Israel was always being two natures in union.
The Lord God of Israel was being both Deity and Soul in union.

The Incarnation simply provided a body for the Soul nature of the Lord God of Israel,l so He could make Himself to become as a man.

Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:

“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me.


Hebrews 10:5​

 

[Genez]

Is Jesus the Father? Not speaking of His flesh.

Jesus is being the Father in a manner that we may know the Father.

To be made to know God as God knows God? Would make a man go insane.

.......

 

[SomeDisciple]

And that man died. Did God die?

Jesus died in the flesh and gave up the ghost; but the ghost can never die.

 

[Nicolas]

So why did Jesus say that it was his father in heaven who revealed to Peter who Jesus really was?

"the father isn't the holy spirit" right? So, why is it the "holy spirit" that "wouldn't lead one to come to such an erroneous conclusion".

Trinitarians are the ones who reveal the trinity... with that stupid tetrahedron diagram- given to ME by MAN and not by God. Not from heaven; but from the philosophy of man. Requires no revelation from God at all; so easy a caveman can do it.

But you go ahead and think of me as an unbeliever; because I believe what the bible says in it's own words instead of your little diagram.

You mean you are non-Trinitarian too??

 

[posthuman]

Try these.... eye glasses


They saw something alright. But it was not God, as God is.
It was God allowing them to see what represents Him to their limited way of thinking.

Are you thinking?
Tell me this .. How can anyone see omnipresence???

Omnipresence is not in front of you. Its everywhere.

How can you see that???

Impossible.

I'm saying the saw Christ, and Christ is God