Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

[cv5]

Rob Law on X: "Kamala Harris’ DNC platform pledges to pass the U.S. Citizenship Act. What is it? The most radical amnesty bill ever written. Amnesty for human traffickers & gang members, no welfare restrictions for migrants, lets deportees return, & worse. Read on for the horrifying details… https://t.co/3HpbmLkUlU" / X

 

[cv5]

You began by talking about jobs, then switched to homicides by illegals. So you changed your own rules.

So let's stick to the topic of jobs. But before that let's deal with your false accusation about Trump using the race card simply because he mentioned jobs being taken away from blacks by illegal MIGRANT INVADERS (not "immigrants). Donald Trump is not a racist (and is in fact loved by blacks), unlike those on the Left. Biden is a very racist person and Obama was a black racist. It is Kamala Harris who is playing the race card right now.

Trump has a very valid point, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics supports his point, although they do not deal with the issue of how many Hispanics/Latinos are legal citizens vs illegal migrants. Chances are no government department will give us the truth about this issue.

So here is what the Bureau says: 1. Blacks also made up a high proportion of discouraged workers (22 percent) relative to their share of the labor force. Discouraged workers, who represent a subset of the marginally attached, are people not currently looking for work because they believe that no jobs are available for them. We are not told whether illegals stole their jobs and that is why no jobs were available to them, and therefore they were discouraged. But it would be a good assumption.

2. I am assuming "labor force activity" actually means "manual labor force activity.". And Here is what they say: Among adult men (20 years and older) in the largest race and ethnicity groups (White, Black, Asian, and Hispanic), Hispanics were more likely to engage in labor force activity than were the other groups, with a participation rate of 79.5 percent, and Blacks were the least likely, with a rate of 66.5 percent.

3. Among those employed (vs unemployed) here is what they say: Among adult men (20 years and older) in the largest race and ethnicity groups, Hispanics continued to have the highest employment-population ratio (74.6 percent). Black men had the lowest (60.5 percent), also continuing a longstanding employment pattern. We are not told what is the cause of this longstanding employment pattern. It could be because many blacks became dependent on welfare (or drug dealing) or because no jobs were available for their capabilities.

4. As to who works in service occupations, here is what they say: About 18 percent of employed Black and Hispanic men worked in service occupations, compared with 11 percent and 12 percent of employed Asian and White men, respectively. Employed Black and Hispanic men also were more likely than White and Asian men to work in production, transportation, and material moving occupations.

5. Regarding working in the construction industry vs transportation and utilities here is what they say: Among employed men, Hispanics were more likely to work in the construction industry (22 percent) than were Whites (14 percent), Blacks (7 percent), or Asians (4 percent). Employed Black men were more likely than employed men of other race and ethnicity groups to work in transportation and utilities (15 percent).

Labor force characteristics by race and ethnicity, 2021 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Democrats are the civil war party.
Pitting race against race, gender against gender, religion against religion, immigrant vs citizen, pro-life vs abortionists.
Their end game is to seize all power over all of the useful idiot factions.

 

[cv5]

On an unrelated note and since I am already on this thread.

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Zelenski's handlers are pleased.....

 

[cv5]

Right on schedule huh....

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[ThereRoseaLamb]

I hate abortion, and I also against birth control as it is a known abortificient when a egg is fertilized, IVF often results in the destruction of unused embryos.
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Oh they also have a lovely statue to contraception there at the DNC also, for selfie purposes. Looks like Vance was right. The sure as blue blazes aren't promoting life!

I also hate the Republican Party's new position on abortion

There is no new position, it just moved from federal to the state. Where it should have been in the first place.

along with the excessive amounts of money they receive to make sure they are loyal to certain foreign causes.

You got me on that one...?

And btw many pro-lifers were extremely upset by Trumps "follow your heart" position.

Well they shouldn't be. They are the reason for it. I live in the Bible belt and when abortion was on the ballot Christians either sat on their round behinds and didn't vote, or voted for it. My BIL and I were pleading with people to go vote. I had a sign in my yard. We were sure it would easily shot down. We were shocked and discussed it openly on Facebook. No one had an answer. So it looks like it's all talk and no action, sad as that is.

And you know what else doubtful he can fix America.

Well he sure as he$$ can't break it any worse!! He can't do any more damage than Harris could do who is already saying she's going to take the Communist route and sink the country. He's not God!! He'll do his best. But you can't turn the ship around that quickly. But you sure can sink her quickly!!!

 

[HeIsHere]

Where it should have been in the first place.

Talking point.
How about we move it to the counties, or maybe the municipalities or maybe better yet move it out completely where it should have stayed.

Well they shouldn't be.

Face it the Republicans have set power over principles, at least let us be honest.
Once in office they will continue on the same path, like in 2018.

I will go with Kristin Hawkins on this who is politically involved in this issue... note the "supposedly"

“They had two years to defund Planned Parenthood, and they failed,” said Kristan Hawkins, president of the anti-abortion group Students for Life of America. “It’s a huge frustration. We worked so hard to elect supposedly these pro-life Republican officials, and we expected results.”

It is just lip service and empty promises.

she's going to take the Communist route and sink the country.

Rather strange she is she wants to usher in "communism" when her economic advisors are former Executives from Black Rock, the proletariat are uprising, lol!!!

I guess Nixon, Sir Robert Borden and Diocletian were communists too!

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I see someone who has no idea what the metaphorical 'race card' is has made a thread about it.

 

[Smoke]

My biggest concern is that thier would be a nationwide abortion ban and the people would protest and Trump would order the military to use force against them. Your intelligent, I know you are aware that this would be the end of America.

How do you rationalize it? How can you sleep at night?

What makes you think Trump would do a nationwide abortion ban? As far as Trump is concerned with abortion, he selected SCJs that deliberated and gave the authority to the states. He never hinted he'd do that type of ban.

I don't think this should be a big concern at all. Worst case scenario for you/best case scenario for most Christians, Trump actually does a nationwide ban and that's a fantastic thing even considering the feminists might be raging in the streets. You are correct in that Trump would not be like Biden and let rioters (or the new term being "insurrectionists") obliterate their own communities like during the Summer of Love and IF necessary, would utilize the National Guard to protect lives, property, and commercial interest. This is actually a good thing brother.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Talking point.
How about we move it to the counties, or maybe the municipalities or maybe better yet move it out completely where it should have stayed.

I don't do talking points. It shouldn't "be" at all!! Even RBG knew it was on it's last legs. How it stayed this long is beyond me.

Face it the Republicans have set power over principles, at least let us be honest.
Once in office they will continue on the same path, like in 2018.

I will go with Kristin Hawkins on this who is politically involved in this issue... note the "supposedly"

“They had two years to defund Planned Parenthood, and they failed,” said Kristan Hawkins, president of the anti-abortion group Students for Life of America. “It’s a huge frustration. We worked so hard to elect supposedly these pro-life Republican officials, and we expected results.”

It is just lip service and empty promises.



Rather strange she is she wants to usher in "communism" when her economic advisors are former Executives from Black Rock, the proletariat are uprising, lol!!!

I guess Nixon, Sir Robert Borden and Diocletian were communists too!

So she thinks that voting for Harris who believes in abortion up to the minute of birth and is considering even after birth abortion, that's the better choice in her head. Forget Communists. They are giving FREE ABORTIONS AT THE DNC!!! If you support that over the Republican stand, you are a fool and you are nothing but lip service and empty promises yourselves!! Trump said it, Christians don't vote. You want to see change, get out and vote. But like I said, we prayed, we walked the Capitol, we had services in open air, we gave money and put the signs in our yards. But the Christians did not get out and vote. It would and should have been an easy win. If you can't get a win for abortion in the Bible belt, you're not gettin' it anywhere else. Someone, in fact a lot of someones, are not telling the truth. They are not standing against abortion,not in the private voting booth. No one to blame but themselves. Go with Harris, vote for her and you'll have drive thru abortions. Then sit back and cry about the unborn. smh People are stunned.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

My biggest concern is that thier would be a nationwide abortion ban

That is your biggest concern??!

How do you rationalize it? How can you sleep at night?

Good question, how do you?

 

[HeIsHere]

I don't do talking points. It shouldn't "be" at all!! Even RBG knew it was on it's last legs. How it stayed this long is beyond me.





So she thinks that voting for Harris who believes in abortion up to the minute of birth and is considering even after birth abortion, that's the better choice in her head. Forget Communists. They are giving FREE ABORTIONS AT THE DNC!!! If you support that over the Republican stand, you are a fool and you are nothing but lip service and empty promises yourselves!! Trump said it, Christians don't vote. You want to see change, get out and vote. But like I said, we prayed, we walked the Capitol, we had services in open air, we gave money and put the signs in our yards. But the Christians did not get out and vote. It would and should have been an easy win. If you can't get a win for abortion in the Bible belt, you're not gettin' it anywhere else. Someone, in fact a lot of someones, are not telling the truth. They are not standing against abortion,not in the private voting booth. No one to blame but themselves. Go with Harris, vote for her and you'll have drive thru abortions. Then sit back and cry about the unborn. smh People are stunned.

Some Christians believe both sides are evil and mostly they are correct.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Some Christians believe both sides are evil and mostly they are correct.

Nope, not even close. I can give all kinds of reasons why that isn't true. But don't scream about abortion if you won 't put your vote behind it.

 

[JayBird]

I didn't get offended when you made me the moral equivalent of a terrorist.

You missed the point entirely, which was that by the same reasoning you used on me, you support the worst acts of Republicans.

Of course that's poor reasoning, so hopefully now you understand.

And you are free to ask me about anything. I'll actually answer. And while there are no perfect people or parties, there are better policies and worse policies. And there are policies that promote biblical ideas and some that don't.

I fully agree.

If your goal was to promote better Republican policy, you would have said so long before now.

Before the GOP adjusts their policy positions, they first have to rid themselves of Trump, a man who epitomizes an entitled, immoral, hedonistic lifestyle.

What you have done is promote a document as Republican policy that the Republican candidate isn't touting as his policy.

He's lying. Or I suppose he could just be so clueless and ignorant that he had no idea that 100+ people from his staff were working on it, and when he said that the Heritage Foundation was developing a plan for a second term he was so out of it he had no idea what he was talking about.

We also have 4 years of his actual policies on record. So which of his actual policies that he has touted or implemented do you disagree with?

I don't think the main economic problem in the US is that the super rich and mega corporations pay too much in taxes.

I strongly value protecting our environment and combating climate change, and Trump's policies are directly opposed to that.

I don't believe in demonizing immigrants, nor do I want to see babies taken from their families as a deterrent.

I want the federal government to actually work; I don't want to see it gutted and dedicated civil servants replaced by people whose only qualification is that they're loyal to Trump.

I don't want a President who undermines Americans' faith in our elections and shouts that they're rigged whenever he loses (or doesn't win by enough).

I don't want a President who admires and is pals with brutal dictators, and tells Putin he can "do whatever the hell he wants".

I don't want a President who undermines our strategic alliances, such as NATO.

I don't want a President who belittles and looks down on people who serve in the military.

I don't want a President who refuses to divest from his businesses while in office, so that foreign governments can use them as a means to funnel money to him.

That's enough for now. But for me, among the biggest issues I have with Trump is how outrageously immoral he is. I cannot in good faith go around wearing my Christian faith on my sleeve while also supporting such a terribly immoral person.

 

[Cameron143]

You missed the point entirely, which was that by the same reasoning you used on me, you support the worst acts of Republicans.

Of course that's poor reasoning, so hopefully now you understand.


I fully agree.


Before the GOP adjusts their policy positions, they first have to rid themselves of Trump, a man who epitomizes an entitled, immoral, hedonistic lifestyle.


He's lying. Or I suppose he could just be so clueless and ignorant that he had no idea that 100+ people from his staff were working on it, and when he said that the Heritage Foundation was developing a plan for a second term he was so out of it he had no idea what he was talking about.


I don't think the main economic problem in the US is that the super rich and mega corporations pay too much in taxes.

I strongly value protecting our environment and combating climate change, and Trump's policies are directly opposed to that.

I don't believe in demonizing immigrants, nor do I want to see babies taken from their families as a deterrent.

I want the federal government to actually work; I don't want to see it gutted and dedicated civil servants replaced by people whose only qualification is that they're loyal to Trump.

I don't want a President who undermines Americans' faith in our elections and shouts that they're rigged whenever he loses (or doesn't win by enough).

I don't want a President who admires and is pals with brutal dictators, and tells Putin he can "do whatever the hell he wants".

I don't want a President who undermines our strategic alliances, such as NATO.

I don't want a President who belittles and looks down on people who serve in the military.

I don't want a President who refuses to divest from his businesses while in office, so that foreign governments can use them as a means to funnel money to him.

That's enough for now. But for me, among the biggest issues I have with Trump is how outrageously immoral he is. I cannot in good faith go around wearing my Christian faith on my sleeve while also supporting such a terribly immoral person.

Ok. Despite the fact that you have repeated nothing but left wing talking points, proven mistruths, lack political and general awareness, and do not understand the times in which you live, just tell me if you are voting for Harris or not. Yes or no is sufficient.

 

[JayBird]

First question, do you even have to courage to stand on your political position?

Here's a little tip. If you want people to interact with you and answer questions, be nicer and friendlier. As long as you act like some sort of inquisitor or prosecuting attorney, all you're doing is badgering.

Nevertheless, I'll reply while ignoring the more personal aspects of your inquiry.

Will you tell us what political party you align with?

As I've posted here a few times already, I've been a registered independent my entire adult life. For most of that time I voted a split ticket, because I don't vote for parties, I vote for candidates.

Can a man become a woman? Do you think this should be taught to our children in schools?

Do you believe children should be given drugs that sterilize them and alter the natural process of maturation artificially?

How about a personal question. How do you as a professing Christian feel about a child being told "you were born in the wrong body." Telling a child made EXACTLY as they were supposed to be by a loving God for a purpose told by the adults around them that they were born wrong. That God made a mistake. How do you feel about that?

How do you feel about men being aloud into women's sports and locker rooms with a swinging Johnson?

So you're asking about LGBTQs. My view is that we live in America, where we all have the freedom and liberty to live as we see fit, which comes with the understanding that it will include some people choosing to live in ways that you might not like.

Let's talk about the biggest "right" Democrats worship, Abortion. How do you feel about killing babies that God is knitting together in the safe womb of their mothers? Do you, like the Democrat party, think that abortion should be legal in every state for any reason up to the moment of birth and even a little after in some cases? Because I haven't seen ANY Democrat admit they support this, even though they do, and they don't because they know it's shameful. They side step it and lie saying "that never happens" when it happens ALL THE TIME (10,000 late term abortion a year in the US)! They lie and avoid because they are too cowardly to stand on what they believe. How about you Christian? Do you have the courage to tell us that you support this policy?

On abortion, because of my charity work and some other things I've seen some pregnancies that have gone horribly wrong, which has put the families in truly horrific positions. After having seen those first-hand, I do not agree that the government should dictate such decisions to families.

Abortion is a terrible thing, so my focus is on getting them to the lowest number we can. Bans do not accomplish that, as we've seen since the overturning of RvW (abortions have increased). The data shows that what actually works to significantly reduce abortions are things like comprehensive sex ed (reduces unwanted pregnancies), access to contraception, prenatal care, a strong social safety net, etc.

How about our boarder? Do you believe they're doing a "great job" and letting 10's of millions of people invade our country with the promise of taking care of them with our tax money, is this a winning strategy? Are you for 4 more years of this?

I supported the bipartisan immigration reform bill that Sen. Lankford (R-OK) developed, and Trump ordered the House to not allow to come to a vote (because he needs immigration to still be an issue for his campaign).

How about college debt relief, or Kamala's communist price setting idea now, or 25k for new home buying. Do you think these are Good ideas?

LOL. I support the student loan relief efforts. Cracking down on price gouging is not "communist price setting". I don't support the money for new home buyers.

So I can't wait to see how you feel about these issues and if you have the courage to stand on the things you defend on here. It would be a nice change from the spineless cowards that Democrats voted into office now.

I suggest you work on conversing with people and try and be more personable and friendly.

 

[JayBird]

Tap-dancing around it because you don't have the courage to clearly state what you believe and stand on it. Not even worth talking to a person like this. You're a democrat according to everything you defend and copy the exact way they approach anything. Accuse, accuse accuse, (project, project, project) never clearly state your positions, and deny, deny, deny, when confronted with the foolishness of you positions. What a joke. If you aren't being paid to spout that stuff here I'd be very surprised. Pointless engaging with you on anything. Spineless and empty of any substance. A democrat.

Why do you come across as so angry?

 

[JayBird]

Ok. Despite the fact that you have repeated nothing but left wing talking points, proven mistruths, lack political and general awareness, and do not understand the times in which you live, just tell me if you are voting for Harris or not. Yes or no is sufficient.

No thank you. When you're ready to actually discuss issues and exchange thoughts and views in a more reasonable manner, I'll be more than happy to participate.

 

[Cameron143]

No thank you. When you're ready to actually discuss issues and exchange thoughts and views in a more reasonable manner, I'll be more than happy to participate.

Your nonanswer is your answer. There are only two real choices. You won't vote for Trump, which is fine. But that only leaves Harris.
As far as a discussion goes with you it is useless. You are comfortable believing and proliferating lies and mischaracterizations, and are too brainwashed to be saved.

 

[JayBird]

Your nonanswer is your answer. There are only two real choices. You won't vote for Trump, which is fine. But that only leaves Harris.
As far as a discussion goes with you it is useless. You are comfortable believing and proliferating lies and mischaracterizations, and are too brainwashed to be saved.

I don't know why you can't interact without resorting to personal insults.

I pray God helps you.

 

[Jimbone]

Here's a little tip. If you want people to interact with you and answer questions, be nicer and friendlier. As long as you act like some sort of inquisitor or prosecuting attorney, all you're doing is badgering.

Nevertheless, I'll reply while ignoring the more personal aspects of your inquiry.


As I've posted here a few times already, I've been a registered independent my entire adult life. For most of that time I voted a split ticket, because I don't vote for parties, I vote for candidates.


So you're asking about LGBTQs. My view is that we live in America, where we all have the freedom and liberty to live as we see fit, which comes with the understanding that it will include some people choosing to live in ways that you might not like.


On abortion, because of my charity work and some other things I've seen some pregnancies that have gone horribly wrong, which has put the families in truly horrific positions. After having seen those first-hand, I do not agree that the government should dictate such decisions to families.

Abortion is a terrible thing, so my focus is on getting them to the lowest number we can. Bans do not accomplish that, as we've seen since the overturning of RvW (abortions have increased). The data shows that what actually works to significantly reduce abortions are things like comprehensive sex ed (reduces unwanted pregnancies), access to contraception, prenatal care, a strong social safety net, etc.


I supported the bipartisan immigration reform bill that Sen. Lankford (R-OK) developed, and Trump ordered the House to not allow to come to a vote (because he needs immigration to still be an issue for his campaign).


LOL. I support the student loan relief efforts. Cracking down on price gouging is not "communist price setting". I don't support the money for new home buyers.


I suggest you work on conversing with people and try and be more personable and friendly.

Okay so you agree with Democrats on everything, even when it goes against God, yet aren't a democrat. You're just neutral right? An independent that agrees with one side on every issue and hates the other side. Okay. Also I'm sorry you read anger into my post. Just because I shoot strait and don't buy your lukewarm positions doesn't make me angry. I'm just calling a spade a spade.

I do appreciate you almost answering these questions with half hearted courage, but know you only did so because I put your back against the wall, but really you showed your whole hand here. You just hate Trump so much you're willing to go full leftist and side with the God hating cowardly Democrat party. Let's dig down into your answers here.

"So you're asking about LGBTQs. My view is that we live in America, where we all have the freedom and liberty to live as we see fit, which comes with the understanding that it will include some people choosing to live in ways that you might not like."

Cool I agree, but this completely ignores the real problem about indoctrinating young children with these sexual subjects in school and even worse altering the natural maturation of them through chemicals and surgeries after teaching they they were born wrong. No one is trying to tell gay adults what to do, or ban them. The concern is ALL about what they're doing to the kids and you completely skipped over that, not surprisingly.

"Abortion is a terrible thing, so my focus is on getting them to the lowest number we can. Bans do not accomplish that, as we've seen since the overturning of RvW (abortions have increased). The data shows that what actually works to significantly reduce abortions are things like comprehensive sex ed (reduces unwanted pregnancies), access to contraception, prenatal care, a strong social safety net, etc."

Why is it terrible? So terrible we should keep doing it? So we should sacrifice as few kids as possible? I guess that makes you super Christian huh? You think that's Jesus position on killing the unborn He knew before they were conceived? It's a half hearted opinion trying to save face. Also Trump is not pushing for abortion ban, and you are also very wrong about bans not accomplishing that. If abortion is banned it will stop 100% of legal abortions. And what you're supporting with that side is abortions on demand for any reason up to birth and sometimes after. So again you skip the main point and address a strawman.

"I supported the bipartisan immigration reform bill that Sen. Lankford (R-OK) developed, and Trump ordered the House to not allow to come to a vote (because he needs immigration to still be an issue for his campaign) "

Okay?? So you supported the immigration bill that did nothing at all to stop the waves of people crossing the boarder. Did you read the bill? It was hot garbage that wouldn't have made a dimes worth of difference in the problem. Good for you. I'm not impressed or convinced.

" I support the student loan relief efforts. Cracking down on price gouging is not "communist price setting". I don't support the money for new home buyers. "

Wow. Are you really this ignorant? You think gouging is why prices are up? Do you think her proposed price fixing would solve the problem? It never has before when tried, in fact it has the opposite affect and causes hyper inflation.

And the reason it's so hard to get a house these days is the interest rates. Giving a 25K handout does NOTHING at all about that issue. All it would do is drive the price of homes up that much more.

Not very convincing friend, and I don't know why you were so enraged about it. Maybe you should learn how to be nicer and talk to people better too. Your super sarcasm was noted as well, you may want to work on your anger and the style of your hyper passive aggressive tone.

So you didn't address any of my main points, side stepped them and addressed the strawmen of your own making, and still agree with every Democrat talking point. Yet are independent. I think you meant dependent on every far left talking point. Even so I do at least want to give credit for trying to answer, as half hearted as the answers were. Thanks buddy, and have a happy day.