A critical look at Harris

[cv5]

Jezebel unashamedly remarks how she is willing to take children from their actual parents and put them into the hands of sexual abusers so that they might be confused and vulnerable to the abominations that hate God and man. She has a long history of defending sexual abusers of every stripe and defending every single sexual sin that the Bible tells us that God frankly hates. You really just can't ask for a more picture perfect example of the Jezebel spirit. Add on top of this the record of her incredibly wicked VP Walz the prince of Sodom and it is not too hard to see the theme here with their ticket. No one can claim to be a Christian and side with Jezebel when the Bible is so explicitly against her and the democrats' wicked platform.

I will tell you what:

The Bible is replete with occasions where God Himself INTERVENED in various times and places to end dire wickedness perpetrated upon children by the ruling classes.

Following that pattern, we can expect more of the same.

 

[Cameron143]

there is an abundant amount of data showing conclusively that "trickle down economics" does not work.

we have tried it in this country for decades, and the empirical evidence is that it increases wealth disparity, does nothing for inflation, and shrinks the middle class.

Really? Can you share that evidence? I'd be interested to see the sources?

Why is it that every time a Republican gets into office the economy does well and when Democrats get into office the economy suffers? The answer is regulation. Democrats pile on regulations that make the cost of doing business more expensive.
Case in point...electric vehicles. They are subsidized by the federal government. They are also mandated. The government has required such harsh ecological mandates that the auto industry was forced to produce them. The problem is that they cannot be sold for a profit which drives up the cost of all their other vehicles making it more expensive for every person to purchase a vehicle. Added to this, if vehicles are more expensive, repairs and insurance are also more expensive. Also, the trucks that carry goods all over the country are more expensive to buy, more expensive to maintain and repair. The cost of every good in the country increases.

Now when the government starts shorting intentionally the amount of energy being produced, what do you think happens to cost of energy? You're starting to get it now...it goes up. Simple economics. When the supply of a good or service goes down but demand remains the same, the cost of the good or service increases.

The government is best when it does least. The Constitution was written to limit government, not people. The reason is obvious: power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm surprised you haven't figured it out. You study over things in the Bible with a degree of efficiency that is admirable. But your understanding of basic economics and politics lacks any effort. The children of darkness are in their generation wiser than the children of the light.

 

[SonJudgment]

I will tell you what:

The Bible is replete with occasions where God Himself INTERVENED in various times and places to end dire wickedness perpetrated upon children by the ruling classes.

Following that pattern, we can expect more of the same.

Well it's not just the ruling class, it's the also largely the public if we're honest about it. If the public were godly there's no way that they would have even tolerated Jezebel seizing the nomination without a vote in the first place. Indeed though God does smite the wicked when they reach their full measure, and no can tell him he is wrong, foolish is he that defends the wicked. God has already started judging the people it is pretty clear from the start of this decade. This year is a year of respite though, he'll give us a chance, a small blessing, America has a choice, a certain choice at that, they know they can choose Trump and be blessed and recover or they can choose Jezebel and be cursed and remembered with ignominy forever.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Yes, my apologies. I'm sorry that I misrepresented myself on that issue.

God bless and vote wisely,
Ted

Is this written to me? How did you misrepresent yourself?

 

[cv5]

Hi @Nehemiah6
COMMUNISM!!!!!! Yeah, yeah, but what are the facts to support what that person is yelling?
Ted

Her own words issuing out of her own mouth of course. And those inserted into her addled mind by her handlers.

I have posted DOZENS of proofs thus far. More than enough to convince any rational actor.

None of which you have acknowledged. For reasons that are blatantly obvious.

Anyhoo......you are losing your arse on this thread. Enjoy the punishment. Thats what useful idiots are for.

 

[posthuman]

Debt fiat Fed go brrrrrrr money is the fundamental problem.
What politician could resist an endless stack of blank checks all at taxpayer expense?

BTW.....Merica is practically insolvent. Just to let you know.

Is this a presidential or a congressional problem?

Who writes the budget?

 

[cv5]

Is this a presidential or a congressional problem?

Who writes the budget?

Problem? The problem is that the whole shebang is illegal and unconstitutional.
Quoting an earlier post:

https://christianchat.com/threads/w...ris-presidential-campaign.215827/post-5340826

"I am sure that Kammy the commie could care less about Constitutional money. Or any other matter related to the Constitution or Bill of Rights for that matter. Anything goes is how these communists roll.

BTW....you are supposedly American and know nothing of Constitutional money and are perfectly willing to aid and abet communists like Kammy the commie? Shameful.

The Constitution’s Seven Money Clauses
They protect liberty and prosperity — when we follow them.
Seven clauses of the United States Constitution touch on questions that might be described as relating to monetary policy.
Properly interpreted, these seven clauses together form a system of rules that strongly protects economic prosperity and political liberty.
Four of the clauses include the word ‘money,’ three the word ‘coin,’ and two the word ‘dollars.’ /1
Below is the text of each of the clauses, followed by some definitions and comments. I’ve modernized the punctuation for readability.
The Seven Money Clauses

1. Congress shall have power to borrow money on the credit of the United States. ~ Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 2.
2. Congress shall have power to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures. ~ Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 5.
3. Congress shall have power to provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States. ~ Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 6.
4. No money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law. ~ Art. I, sec. 9, cl. 7.
5. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person. ~ Art. I, sec. 9, cl. 1.
6. No state shall coin money, emit bills of credit, or make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts. ~ Art. I, sec. 10, cl. 1.
7. In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved. ~ Amdt. VII.

The Constitution’s Five Monetary Rules
Read in conjunction with the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, and the obligation-of-contracts clause (Art. I, sec. 10, cl. 1), we can identify five monetary policies that are constitutionally requisite in the United States:

1. The basic unit is the dollar, a silver coin containing 371.25 grains of pure silver.
2. Only gold or silver coins and currency (specie-backed banknotes) can be legal tender.
3. No state may issue coins or currency.
4. No one may counterfeit U.S. Government-issued coins or currency.
5. Fiat money notes (‘bills of credit’) are forbidden.

The remainder of this article defines some of the foregoing terms, and explains how we get to the five rules.

Definition: ‘Dollar’
The Constitution makes the ‘dollar’ the basic unit of account for the republic. It does not explicitly define the dollar. Why? Because no definition was necessary. Everyone at the time knew what a dollar was. It was a silver coin of a fixed weight and fineness, the most popular edition of which was the Spanish milled dollar. That popular coin, remembered today as ‘pieces of eight,’ contained on average 371.25 grains of pure silver or 416 grains of standard silver. ‘Standard silver’ is pure silver mixed with other metals, such as nickel or copper, for added durability. /5

Prior to the Coinage Act of 1792, also called the Mint Act, the Spanish dollar was basically the only ‘dollar’ Americans knew. The U.S. government did not mint its own version of the coin until after the ratification of the Constitution (1788) and the Bill of Rights (1791).

In the Coinage Act, Congress codified the existing, universally understood definition of ‘dollar’:
DOLLARS OR UNITS — each to be of the value of a Spanish milled dollar as the same is now current, and to contain three hundred and seventy-one grains and four sixteenth parts of a grain of pure, or four hundred and sixteen grains of standard silver."

 

[Mem]

In capitalism, the market decides the price and, although the ceo of corporations decide on the price paid, that is only half the truth, since the corporation are only the sellers, and it is the consumers who are the buyers, you, lil ol' betty sue, are the market. All other systems put the control between the ceo's of the businesses and the ceo's of the government.

 

[posthuman]

Debt fiat Fed go brrrrrrr money is the fundamental problem.
What politician could resist an endless stack of blank checks all at taxpayer expense?

BTW.....Merica is practically insolvent. Just to let you know.

Is electing an Alzheimeric billionaire to increase his own extravagant vanity and give gifts to the rich a solution to this, in your opinion?

 

[posthuman]

Problem? The problem is that the whole shebang is illegal and unconstitutional.
Quoting an earlier post:

https://christianchat.com/threads/w...ris-presidential-campaign.215827/post-5340826

"I am sure that Kammy the commie could care less about Constitutional money. Or any other matter related to the Constitution or Bill of Rights for that matter. Anything goes is how these communists roll.

BTW....you are supposedly American and know nothing of Constitutional money and are perfectly willing to aid and abet communists like Kammy the commie? Shameful.

The Constitution’s Seven Money Clauses
They protect liberty and prosperity — when we follow them.
Seven clauses of the United States Constitution touch on questions that might be described as relating to monetary policy.
Properly interpreted, these seven clauses together form a system of rules that strongly protects economic prosperity and political liberty.
Four of the clauses include the word ‘money,’ three the word ‘coin,’ and two the word ‘dollars.’ /1
Below is the text of each of the clauses, followed by some definitions and comments. I’ve modernized the punctuation for readability.
The Seven Money Clauses

1. Congress shall have power to borrow money on the credit of the United States. ~ Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 2.
2. Congress shall have power to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures. ~ Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 5.
3. Congress shall have power to provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States. ~ Art. I, sec. 8, cl. 6.
4. No money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law. ~ Art. I, sec. 9, cl. 7.
5. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person. ~ Art. I, sec. 9, cl. 1.
6. No state shall coin money, emit bills of credit, or make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts. ~ Art. I, sec. 10, cl. 1.
7. In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved. ~ Amdt. VII.

The Constitution’s Five Monetary Rules
Read in conjunction with the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, and the obligation-of-contracts clause (Art. I, sec. 10, cl. 1), we can identify five monetary policies that are constitutionally requisite in the United States:

1. The basic unit is the dollar, a silver coin containing 371.25 grains of pure silver.
2. Only gold or silver coins and currency (specie-backed banknotes) can be legal tender.
3. No state may issue coins or currency.
4. No one may counterfeit U.S. Government-issued coins or currency.
5. Fiat money notes (‘bills of credit’) are forbidden.

The remainder of this article defines some of the foregoing terms, and explains how we get to the five rules.

Definition: ‘Dollar’
The Constitution makes the ‘dollar’ the basic unit of account for the republic. It does not explicitly define the dollar. Why? Because no definition was necessary. Everyone at the time knew what a dollar was. It was a silver coin of a fixed weight and fineness, the most popular edition of which was the Spanish milled dollar. That popular coin, remembered today as ‘pieces of eight,’ contained on average 371.25 grains of pure silver or 416 grains of standard silver. ‘Standard silver’ is pure silver mixed with other metals, such as nickel or copper, for added durability. /5

Prior to the Coinage Act of 1792, also called the Mint Act, the Spanish dollar was basically the only ‘dollar’ Americans knew. The U.S. government did not mint its own version of the coin until after the ratification of the Constitution (1788) and the Bill of Rights (1791).

In the Coinage Act, Congress codified the existing, universally understood definition of ‘dollar’:
DOLLARS OR UNITS — each to be of the value of a Spanish milled dollar as the same is now current, and to contain three hundred and seventy-one grains and four sixteenth parts of a grain of pure, or four hundred and sixteen grains of standard silver."

So a congressional problem.

Why keep reelecting them, and why bring it up in a thread about the executive branch?

the debt has increased under every president since Clinton.

 

[Mem]

Is electing an Alzheimeric billionaire to increase his own extravagant vanity and give gifts to the rich a solution to this, in your opinion?

The risk of losing one's choice is the core of the issue, imo, this is why PP has managed to seem familial standing on that platform (while actually being anti-family at its core). I don't want my choice taken away. If the powers that be believe it to be their privilege, and I suppose some might regard it as their duty, to do so, how can I trust that they'd be sure to honor the validity of any individual's vote to get any of them out?

 

[Nehemiah6]

So if capitalism doesn't work, what do you suggest replacing it with?

Trickle down economics is not capitalism, so perhaps posthuman did not mean to suggest that. Ideally, the government must stay out of manipulating the economy, since governments are not productive and cannot create jobs. But the government is constantly interfering with the economy and doing more harm that good.

In 2023 the total income tax revenue of the federal government was 4.44 trillion dollars. But it will spend 6.5 trillion in 2024, and create a deficit of about 2 trillion dollars (while adding to the national debt which will never be repaid). But the voters never told the politicians to stop this nonsense, since they kept voting them back into office.

Commila Harris knows nothing about economics, budgeting, or good governance. All she cares about is Kamala. So she abandons Bidenomics -- WHICH FAILED MISERBLY -- and goes al out for Communism -- WHICH HAS ALSO FAILED MISERABLY.

She is banking on the fact that voters who support the Democrats are essentially stupid, otherwise the Dems would not get a single vote. Then she has all the fraudulent illegal votes. So she is counting on scamming and defrauding America.

 

[cv5]

Is electing an Alzheimeric billionaire to increase his own extravagant vanity and give gifts to the rich a solution to this, in your opinion?

The main reasons Trump needs to be boosted into office are twofold:

1) As a chessboard blocking strategy to thwart the attempts by the Maoist/Bolshevik/Marxist nutters in their drive at checkmating America and sending the once great nation into the abyss.
2) To support Israel and thereby delay the Ezekiel 38 scenario as long as possible.

BTW......free speech and the 1st amendment ALMOST DIED if you cared to notice. It was gasping and blue in the face being strangulated until Elon Musk gave it CPR and kept it alive.....at least for a while longer.

 

[tedincarolina]

I'm not talking about her distant past, although you didn't mention all the people she put in prison for drugs while making light of her own drug use. You also didn't mention the fund she helped raise for criminals to be bailed out of jail.

Do you know her position on abortion?
Do you know her previously held position on taxes?
Do you know her position on illegal immigration?
Do you know her position on Israel?
Do you know her position on the new green deal?
Do you know her position on campus protests funded by Iran?
Do you know her position on school choice?
Do you think the way to help addicts is to supply needles for them?
Do you believe it's OK for children to be mutilated for trans surgery?

I have more questions, but I'm not sure you will answer these.

Hey @Cameron143

Well, I'm not sure why you would think it fair that I answer your questions while you won't answer mine. I asked you to provide support that her economic plan that is what you brought up as being some sort of Communist Manifest in its sourcing. If you're not willing to answer my questions, why do you feel that I should answer yours?

Yes, I know her position on abortion and probably anyone with ears knows her position on abortion. She is for allowing anyone who wants an abortion to obtain one legally. Now, you're likely against that, but then you've got nobody to vote for. Because even your guy has now softened his supposed past stance on abortion.

I do not know her position on taxes at all. I believe as a kind of 'gotcha' that there were some stories floating around that she was for also making tip wages untaxed, but I haven't heard much about it since then. Other than that, no, I don't know her position on taxes. I know the other guys and I didn't like it then and I don't like it any more now.

I can't say as I do know her position on immigration, illegal or otherwise.

I believe that she does support Israel. As do I. Her husband is Jewish after all.

I believe she is behind some parts of the green new deal, but no, I don't know her position about the agenda as a whole.

I'm pretty sure, if there were such a thing, that she would be against it. I know that I am.

I don't have any school age children, but I have always been for school choice. I don't know her position on it.

I don't think she had anything to do with needles for addicts, but if so, I'd need some specifics on the program and her stated position on it. And I'd be happy to read anything that you have to offer.

I don't believe that a child should be mutilated in any surgery. But our world has moved wholly into the immoral sexual attitudes and now the gender issues of not knowing whether a particular individual feels like they are something other than what they were born to be, as regards gender. But that isn't a political issue my friend. It's a sin issue. The world is wallowing more and more each passing generation into wickedness and sin and the pain and anger and fear and angst that such lifestyles bring to the table.

Now, do you get it that God already tried that? That making an entire nation of people live under His law, thing. You are aware that God has already made an attempt at that, right? You do know the old covenant history of God's people... right? He raised up a nation of people and gave unto them His righteous law to live by... and they failed miserably. Do you really think that you're going to go out into the world and stop all of this wickedness from coming upon the earth that your God has already told you is coming?

No! You're not. However, if you want to do the work for which God has prepared for you to do since the foundations of the world were established, you'll take all of this pent up anger and hostility and mix it with a really, really good helping of mercy and compassion and go out there and tell all these people that are doing all of these wicked things about Jesus. Friend, if you will just bring them to Jesus, he and the Holy Spirit will take care of that person's sin. It doesn't matter what the law of the land is. God's people don't have to live by it in any way that would break the commands of God. And the wicked will do what the wicked will do, my friend.

Tell them about Jesus.

But as for the issues that you've brought to the table here, no, I still see VP Harris as the better choice to run the nation for the next four years over any of the contenders. However, I understand the role and responsibility of being the President of the United States. That's one of the major reasons that I would vote for VP Harris. She understands and appreciates the limits of what the job entails. The other guy seems to want to hold the position like Vladimir Putin and Kim Un and Chi of China.

I'm going with the one that seems to understand how our government works and is able, therefore, to work within those confines and get things done.

God bless and vote wisely,
Ted

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Where are the critical questions?

Since we're talking about the DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL PARTY, Harris, and whomever the VP is couldn't matter less. The SWAMP is the candidate, not the figureheads. Why bother to ask Harris anything???

 

[cv5]

So a congressional problem.

NO!

Its a LEGAL PROBLEM! As in not legal. Illegal. Unlawful. A scam. A ponzi scheme.

And again.....I present the facts chapter and verse and it is IMMEDIATELY rejected.

Congress DOES NOT have the authority to pass unconstitutional laws. They are to be instantly nullified by the supreme law, the Constitution.

Hardly matters at this point. Do you know what a bond auction failure is? Do you know what the implications of a failed bond auction are? Well I do. Very much so.

 

[Mem]

Since we're talking about the DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL PARTY, Harris, and whomever the VP is couldn't matter less. The SWAMP is the candidate, not the figureheads. Why bother to ask Harris anything???

I'm not sure the wisest votes are only checking a box under the pretense that it would be counted among all other legitimate tallies.' Look, so far, an attempt(s) has been made to 'take Trump off the ballot,' although unsuccessful, unlike the attempt to impose Harris onto the ballot.

 

[tedincarolina]

posthuman said:
there is an abundant amount of data showing conclusively that "trickle down economics" does not work.
.
So if capitalism doesn't work, what do you suggest replacing it with?

You have to wonder how one thinks when you mention 'trickle down economics' and suddenly the other person says that defines capitalism.

God bless and vote wisely,
Ted

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Trickle down economics is not capitalism, so perhaps posthuman did not mean to suggest that. Ideally, the government must stay out of manipulating the economy, since governments are not productive and cannot create jobs. But the government is constantly interfering with the economy and doing more harm that good.

In 2023 the total income tax revenue of the federal government was 4.44 trillion dollars. But it will spend 6.5 trillion in 2024, and create a deficit of about 2 trillion dollars (while adding to the national debt which will never be repaid). But the voters never told the politicians to stop this nonsense, since they kept voting them back into office.

Commila Harris knows nothing about economics, budgeting, or good governance. All she cares about is Kamala. So she abandons Bidenomics -- WHICH FAILED MISERBLY -- and goes al out for Communism -- WHICH HAS ALSO FAILED MISERABLY.

She is banking on the fact that voters who support the Democrats are essentially stupid, otherwise the Dems would not get a single vote. Then she has all the fraudulent illegal votes. So she is counting on scamming and defrauding America.

Well, that's all I ever hear Dems say, "trickle down" and I know they mean capitalism. So I figured thats what he meant. But thanks for the information.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You have to wonder how one thinks when you mention 'trickle down economics' and suddenly the other person says that defines capitalism.

God bless and vote wisely,
Ted

Because that's how Dems refer to capitalism, trickle down.