There will be no Rapture!!!
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Here you go. Just introductory material.
A person needs orders of magnitude more to begin to grasp the scope of what God is telling us here.
Will We Be Raptured? When? When do the Jews get relieved of their partial blindness?
The Church Age Is Gonna End. Introduction to the next lecture series at Cliffside
The Bride, The Wife, The Rapture. We'll be Changed. Change? How much change?
So Is God A Polygamist? Silly question. Israel and The Bride? It's a symbol, dah
Eve was the Bride of Adam...
Eve's body was built up from the same substance as Adam's body.
She became bone of his bones and flesh of Adam's flesh.
We the Church?
We are the Bride of Christ.
We like Eve was?
Being hid in Adam, until the right time to reveal her body?
Are, now being hidden in Christ!
What we are to be as the Bride of Christ?
Will be revealed at the Rapture.
Bone of His glorified bones, and flesh of His glorious flesh!
In the mean while?
We are now seated in Him in heavenly places ... in His glorious body!
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him
in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:6
Some don't believe it?
You'll be blushing at the Rapture.
And....
Over joyously glad to admit you were wrong!
grace and peace ....................
Eve's body was built up from the same substance as Adam's body.
She became bone of his bones and flesh of Adam's flesh.
We the Church?
We are the Bride of Christ.
We like Eve was?
Being hid in Adam, until the right time to reveal her body?
Are, now being hidden in Christ!
What we are to be as the Bride of Christ?
Will be revealed at the Rapture.
Bone of His glorified bones, and flesh of His glorious flesh!
In the mean while?
We are now seated in Him in heavenly places ... in His glorious body!
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him
in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:6
Some don't believe it?
You'll be blushing at the Rapture.
And....
Over joyously glad to admit you were wrong!
grace and peace ....................
Really? And you should be blushing for ignoring the words of Christ in John 14:1-3.
Yes, while we are seated in the heavenly places with Christ because we are in Him. that does not cancel the fact that we have not been altogether perfected and glorified. You still have your sin nature (the flesh). And glorification and perfection is the final phase of salvation where the sin nature is eradicated (1 John 3:1-3 and many other passages). The Rapture is for the glorification of all the saints, and it occurs before any Tribulation period.
How do people miss all this? I believe they miss it because they are stuck in man-made ruts. They seriously think that the momentary coming of Christ for all his saints is actually another Second Coming when the objectives of the two are poles apart. The first is for salvation (for the saints), the second is for damnation (for the unbelieving and the wicked).
... I ignored what?Here you go:
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.
My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you
that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a
place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may
be where I am." John 14:1-3
Jesus said its not going to take place be here on earth.
That He will come back, and take us to be with Him...
I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
Its not going to be here on earth.....
Not for the Church!
At least, according to Jesus, it won't be!
People are going to believe whatever they want to believe if they are not willing to believe what they should.
After all?
Adam believed that when he ate the fruit that he would become like the Lord..
Did he not?
Many will remain feeling and thinking like Adam as long as they walk in the energy of their flesh in pride of thinking they know what is best...
Is this just silliness on your part, since you do not wish to see the truth?
What's not going to be here on earth? If the saints who are on earth and alive at the Resurrection/Rapture are not one earth, then where are they? And if the Church is not all the saints of God, then what is it? And since Jesus spoke those words in John 14, how can it not be "according to Jesus"? You are tripping all over yourself in trying to defend your TOTAL MISUNDERSTANDING of the Resurrection/Rapture.
No, he definitely DID NOT believe that.
On the contrary, Adam sweat great drops of blood in the garden agonizing over his deliberate (NOT DECEIVED per 1 Tim 2:14) FREE WILL choice to be SEPARATED (aka ***die***) from his God in a calculated gambit to SAVE his bride the Woman.
Which of course is why Adam is a type of Christ.
Get the picture?
Genez (to whom you wrote your response ^ [I only quoted a part of your post]) holds a "pre-trib rapture" understanding, just as you and I also do.
Maybe by "a little while" Jesus meant the time between his arrest and his reappearance from the dead. Maybe through his death and resurrection Jesus "prepared a place" for the disciples and they took those places, seated in heavenly places in Christ, when they believed in his resurrection and confessed him Lord and were given the Holy Spirit in John 20.
Here you go:
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am." John 14:1-3
Jesus said its not going to take place be here on earth.
That He will come back, and take us to be with Him...
I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
Its not going to be here on earth.....
Not for the Church!
At least, according to Jesus, it won't be!
People are going to believe whatever they want to believe if they are not willing to believe what they should.
After all?
Adam believed that when he ate the fruit that he would become like the Lord..
Did he not?
Many will remain feeling and thinking like Adam as long as they walk in the energy of their flesh in pride of thinking they know what is best...
19¶Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
20And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
21¶Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
The glorification of the saints, just as Christ's glorification occurred in heaven after the Ascension.
There you go buddy. Get ready for a shock. I expect tears of joy and repentance after hearing the TRUTH of the matter.....
Adam And Eve... What really happened?
1st Adam vs. The 2nd Adam. They're more alike than you might think
Adam, Eve & Satan. Do you really think you know this story?
Deep Teaching On Adam & Eve. This is the stuff you're not supposed to hear
Did Adam Blame Eve? It's not what you may have thought
Eve Is Dying Right In Front of Adam. If you were Adam, what would you do?
I believe that Jesus did save the Christians before the great tribulation, when He brought judgement on the covenant breaking Jews at the end of the AGE in 70ad, when He removed His temple from the earth EXACTLY like He said it would happen. Historically this CRAZY thing happen when the Roman army had Jerusalem surrounded and under siege. For some reason that no one seems to be able to explain, the armies pulled back and the Christians in the city knew to flee to Pella (the mountains) while the Jews were celebrating the enemy had retreated. Then the army came right back and wreaked shop at end the age. Just like the parable of the bad tenants that killed the landlords son, so were put to death. In this destruction people were eating their babies and the streets were flowing with blood. The historical accounts line up with what scripture said in a way that blows my mind still. I was always taught the pre-trib view, and still see it is the only viewpoint taught around here (northwest Florida) at all.
I defiantly had my mind changed after seeing how perfectly this lines up with His word, then looking at all the ADDED charts, timelines, interpretations, and crazy amount of proof texting, that has to be explained by a guru, before you even start to understand it, and it blew me away. The more I studied and dug into this the more I knew that these things were never future to us. It was in the future to those He was speaking to then, but He also told them in a bunch of different ways, but also very clearly that ALL the things He was telling them were to come at the end of the AGE, not world, would come to pass before the end of THAT generation (also about 40 years, a generation, after He ascended). Look I know this is not a popular view and it actually makes some angry, and I didn't come here to debate it or convince anyone, but I do feel this is the truth and that He opened my eyes to it, so felt it was worth adding to the conversation. It's defiantly worth looking into if you're curious. Regardless I love you guys and gals and hope you have a good day.
I defiantly had my mind changed after seeing how perfectly this lines up with His word, then looking at all the ADDED charts, timelines, interpretations, and crazy amount of proof texting, that has to be explained by a guru, before you even start to understand it, and it blew me away. The more I studied and dug into this the more I knew that these things were never future to us. It was in the future to those He was speaking to then, but He also told them in a bunch of different ways, but also very clearly that ALL the things He was telling them were to come at the end of the AGE, not world, would come to pass before the end of THAT generation (also about 40 years, a generation, after He ascended). Look I know this is not a popular view and it actually makes some angry, and I didn't come here to debate it or convince anyone, but I do feel this is the truth and that He opened my eyes to it, so felt it was worth adding to the conversation. It's defiantly worth looking into if you're curious. Regardless I love you guys and gals and hope you have a good day.
Nope. No snatching of the Bride going on with that theory.
"end of the AGE,"
Thats right. Church age. End of the CHURCH AGE.
The event that unequivocally ends the Church age......is the rapture.
No more Church. Gone. Evacuated. Snatched dramatically and instantaneously. Shockingly.
God then removes His restraining of "the evil" (one).......and all hell breaks loose.
Satan DOES NOT KNOW the exact time of the rapture, and only reacts after the fact.
Satan then radically advances game plan, knowing he has a short time left.
THEN.....comes the DOTL, which begins with the revealing of the "the evil", the man of sin Revelation chapter 6.
We are long gone at Revelation 4:1.
Try explaining why in the same conversation Paul tells his hearers not to "fall asleep".
This statement in 1 Thess 5:6 confirms that this is a place where Paul is veiling His discussion (speaking in tongues) as He discusses the mysteries of God, (Acts 2:11 and 1 Cor 14:2) which unbelievers do not understand, Matthew 13:11.
Speaking in Tongues is speaking about the works of God and the understanding of the"works" or as 1 Cor 14:2 defines them "mysteries" of God is not for unbelievers. Unbelievers are not permitted to understand the mysteries of God until they accept Jesus as Lord.
God tells Paul and the Christians who have not fallen asleep not to "Go before" or prevent the "sleeping Christians, because He does not want obedient Christians to be influenced by the sleeping Christian's willfully sinful behavior.
1Th 4:15 (MKJV) For we say this to you by the Word of [the] Lord, that we who are alive [and] remain until the coming of the Lord shall not go before those who are asleep.
Backslidden Christians are instructed to "awake to righteousness" in Rm 13:11 ...
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Paul veiled His conversation about the spiritual sleep called the backslidden condition.
God corrects the backslidden condition in 1 Thess 4:13 through 5:8 through the judgment called the "Day of the Lord".
God will bring disobedient Christians back to obedience through discipline (1 Cor 11:32, Ez 20:37) at that point they can again join obedient (those who remain faithful).
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Remember the Day of the Lord is not the Second Coming but a time of judgment - Joel 1:15. The Second Coming, is a spiritual event where the Father sends Jesus into the believer's heart.
Judgment is different than salvation and a visitation for judgment is different than a visitation that results in salvation.
Ac 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joe 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction/judgment from the Almighty shall it come.
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
This correction is what is called and defined as the judgment of the "Day of the Lord" (Joel 1:15) in 1 Thess 5:2.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
Zep 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
(KJV)
1Th 5:6 ¶ Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
This statement in 1 Thess 5:6 confirms that this is a place where Paul is veiling His discussion (speaking in tongues) as He discusses the mysteries of God, (Acts 2:11 and 1 Cor 14:2) which unbelievers do not understand, Matthew 13:11.
Speaking in Tongues is speaking about the works of God and the understanding of the"works" or as 1 Cor 14:2 defines them "mysteries" of God is not for unbelievers. Unbelievers are not permitted to understand the mysteries of God until they accept Jesus as Lord.
God tells Paul and the Christians who have not fallen asleep not to "Go before" or prevent the "sleeping Christians, because He does not want obedient Christians to be influenced by the sleeping Christian's willfully sinful behavior.
1Th 4:15 (MKJV) For we say this to you by the Word of [the] Lord, that we who are alive [and] remain until the coming of the Lord shall not go before those who are asleep.
Backslidden Christians are instructed to "awake to righteousness" in Rm 13:11 ...
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Paul veiled His conversation about the spiritual sleep called the backslidden condition.
God corrects the backslidden condition in 1 Thess 4:13 through 5:8 through the judgment called the "Day of the Lord".
God will bring disobedient Christians back to obedience through discipline (1 Cor 11:32, Ez 20:37) at that point they can again join obedient (those who remain faithful).
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Remember the Day of the Lord is not the Second Coming but a time of judgment - Joel 1:15. The Second Coming, is a spiritual event where the Father sends Jesus into the believer's heart.
Judgment is different than salvation and a visitation for judgment is different than a visitation that results in salvation.
Ac 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joe 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction/judgment from the Almighty shall it come.
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
This correction is what is called and defined as the judgment of the "Day of the Lord" (Joel 1:15) in 1 Thess 5:2.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
Zep 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
(KJV)
1Th 5:6 ¶ Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
This is the preterist view - it assumes that the Day of the Lord is a one-time event. The day of the Lord is not a one-time event but happens as discipline, to an individual Christian due to their Disobedience. This discipline is designed to bring about correction as 1 Cor 11:32 says.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Preterists also misunderstand that the Destruction of Jerusalem does not mean the destruction of all of Israel.
What you have said is a complete misunderstanding of that verse. Paul talks about the Resurrection/Rapture in both 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15. And let's stick with the KJB. In both passages he explains that the resurrected saints will PRECEDE (go before) the raptured saints, but everything will be in "the twinkling of an eye". So in fact it is one glorious event with all the saints meeting the Lord in the air and going up to Heaven.
Thats crazy talk right there buddy......
And of course a vacuous pretention without any Scriptural support.