Assassination attemp against Donald Trump

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ZNP

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For a paranoid loner he surely has a wide range of skills and assets at his disposal


Notice they are now saying he was "roughly 400 feet away" as a way to perhaps confuse him with the person that was 400 yards away.

Also he registered for the event on July 7, and flew drones over the site prior to the event to research it. Weird considering he just bought ammunition the day of.
 

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Wow! The trajectory of the bullet that hit Trump in the ear is not over where Crook's body was, but it does go directly to a 2nd floor window behind the building Crooks was on, and that window was open. What is really creepy about this is that ABC news has crooks directly under that line even though his body after being shot is clearly not under that line!


People lie, physical evidence doesn't lie.
 

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Wow! The trajectory of the bullet that hit Trump in the ear is not over where Crook's body was, but it does go directly to a 2nd floor window behind the building Crooks was on, and that window was open. What is really creepy about this is that ABC news has crooks directly under that line even though his body after being shot is clearly not under that line!


People lie, physical evidence doesn't lie.
This sound recording is incontrovertible evidence of 9 shots fired and at least two different guns, possibly three. Also you have one gun was shot from inside a building. Those were the first three shots. The last six shots were a group of five shots and then one shot. It is possible those were two different guns.

Therefore we need to here about the brass collected by the investigators. They need to have collected 9 shell casings and 9 bullets. If they are not from two different guns or three different guns then they are lying.
 

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There must be at least two shooters right, since Crooks was shot dead?
 

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Bombshell: Scientific Analysis of Raw Audio Suggests AT LEAST TWO Shooters Firing Different Weapons in Two Locations to Kill Trump
by Adan Salazar
July 19th 2024, 6:18 pm
(Videos at the source linked)

Investigator says research 'conclusively proves that two (and possibly three) weapons were fired at Trump and the assembled crowd.'

Forensic audio analysis of the moments shots were fired at Donald Trump indicates there were at least two shooters attempting to kill the former president, contradicting the government’s lone wolf narrative, according to a PhD researcher.
In a video published to X on Thursday, Dr. Chris Martenson walks through his investigation of audio picked up from microphones located in two different places at Trump’s rally in Butler, Penn.

While the official story has claimed the only two gunmen that day were would-be assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks and the Secret Service Counter Sniper that shot him, Martenson says his research “conclusively proves that two (and possibly three) weapons were fired at Trump and the assembled crowd.”
Martenson’s research builds on forensic audio analysis noted by CNN, which on Sunday published an article claiming “Audio forensics suggest as many as three weapons fired at Trump rally.”

In the article, CNN wrote audio researchers at the National Center for Media Forensics at the University of Colorado in Denver noted the analysis “suggests that as many as three weapons were fired” at the rally.
CNN also noted: “Audio analysis has also confirmed that the gunman was about 360 to 393 feet from the podium, according to forensics expert Robert Maher,” which Martensen said lines up with his research.
“This should not be information you get from me. This should already be part of the national dialog and we should be getting routine updates from the FBI about how they are going about locating the second (and possibly third) shooters,” Martensen says.


Ultimately, the PhD researcher says a congressional investigation is warranted, and he has various questions lined up.
Here are some questions for any reporters or congressional staffers reading this:
(1) What is the FBI doing to locate the other shooter(s)?Have you found the second location and recovered the brass?
(2) How did a second shooter escape detection given all the security staff on hand?
(3) What does the FBI’s audio analysis reveal about the locations of the second shooter(s)?
(4) How many spent casings around Crooks can be counted on the Axon body cameras of the first arriving officers on the scene?
(5) Please also provide any and all body camera audio recordings from local police. SS too, but we’d prefer RAW files from the locals. Kthx.
(6) Please immediately provide the ballistics and the medical injury reports including angles of penetration for each of the three victims.
(7) Also, we’ll need an accurate accounting of the path and final destination of every bullet fired.
(8) Finally, who exactly was in the building just beneath Crooks at the exact time the first three shots were fired?​
Health Ranger Mike Adams has also been pursuing the three shooter theory and sharing his analysis and findings.
 

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Bombshell: Scientific Analysis of Raw Audio Suggests AT LEAST TWO Shooters Firing Different Weapons in Two Locations to Kill Trump
by Adan Salazar
July 19th 2024, 6:18 pm
(Videos at the source linked)

Investigator says research 'conclusively proves that two (and possibly three) weapons were fired at Trump and the assembled crowd.'

Forensic audio analysis of the moments shots were fired at Donald Trump indicates there were at least two shooters attempting to kill the former president, contradicting the government’s lone wolf narrative, according to a PhD researcher.
In a video published to X on Thursday, Dr. Chris Martenson walks through his investigation of audio picked up from microphones located in two different places at Trump’s rally in Butler, Penn.

While the official story has claimed the only two gunmen that day were would-be assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks and the Secret Service Counter Sniper that shot him, Martenson says his research “conclusively proves that two (and possibly three) weapons were fired at Trump and the assembled crowd.”
Martenson’s research builds on forensic audio analysis noted by CNN, which on Sunday published an article claiming “Audio forensics suggest as many as three weapons fired at Trump rally.”

In the article, CNN wrote audio researchers at the National Center for Media Forensics at the University of Colorado in Denver noted the analysis “suggests that as many as three weapons were fired” at the rally.
CNN also noted: “Audio analysis has also confirmed that the gunman was about 360 to 393 feet from the podium, according to forensics expert Robert Maher,” which Martensen said lines up with his research.
“This should not be information you get from me. This should already be part of the national dialog and we should be getting routine updates from the FBI about how they are going about locating the second (and possibly third) shooters,” Martensen says.


Ultimately, the PhD researcher says a congressional investigation is warranted, and he has various questions lined up.
Here are some questions for any reporters or congressional staffers reading this:​
(1) What is the FBI doing to locate the other shooter(s)?Have you found the second location and recovered the brass?​
(2) How did a second shooter escape detection given all the security staff on hand?​
(3) What does the FBI’s audio analysis reveal about the locations of the second shooter(s)?​
(4) How many spent casings around Crooks can be counted on the Axon body cameras of the first arriving officers on the scene?​
(5) Please also provide any and all body camera audio recordings from local police. SS too, but we’d prefer RAW files from the locals. Kthx.​
(6) Please immediately provide the ballistics and the medical injury reports including angles of penetration for each of the three victims.​
(7) Also, we’ll need an accurate accounting of the path and final destination of every bullet fired.​
(8) Finally, who exactly was in the building just beneath Crooks at the exact time the first three shots were fired?​
Health Ranger Mike Adams has also been pursuing the three shooter theory and sharing his analysis and findings.
It is worse than this, any decent investigator would have known in the first 24 hours that there were 2 maybe 3 shooters. So they have been feeding us lies for six days. For example they would have certainly had audio that could have confirmed this within an hour of the shooting. But they also would have collected the brass and should have found shell casings at two or three locations (unless the other shooters picked up their brass). However, even if they collected their brass the bullets would have been proof and that would have been examined in the first 24 hours.
 

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It is worse than this, any decent investigator would have known in the first 24 hours that there were 2 maybe 3 shooters. So they have been feeding us lies for six days. For example they would have certainly had audio that could have confirmed this within an hour of the shooting. But they also would have collected the brass and should have found shell casings at two or three locations (unless the other shooters picked up their brass). However, even if they collected their brass the bullets would have been proof and that would have been examined in the first 24 hours.
That's true. The big corporate media is the propaganda arm that reads the scripts they are handed by the agencies of the executive branch.
They are providing information, but some or most may be disinformation. That's why I always go to the indi Media sources first. I think you do too. The young guy, who's HS yearbook picture they show, was the patsy IMHO. Will post that later.

There were at least one others who were the real snippers. The young guy was the alibi to blame the operation on that they carried out from the woods or that water tower.

Someone on Owen Shroyers show earlier explained his theory from the angles. It would be a good one to listen to keeping in mind the sound forensics. That won't id The shooters, but it's clearer all the time that it was an inside job.
 

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It is worse than this, any decent investigator would have known in the first 24 hours that there were 2 maybe 3 shooters. So they have been feeding us lies for six days. For example they would have certainly had audio that could have confirmed this within an hour of the shooting. But they also would have collected the brass and should have found shell casings at two or three locations (unless the other shooters picked up their brass). However, even if they collected their brass the bullets would have been proof and that would have been examined in the first 24 hours.


BREAKING: Secret Service Report CONFIRMS Total Stand Down

>It Was An Inside Job<IW Video on Preliminary Police Report

SS Released Report to Congress:
A. Order for 26 minute stand down
B. Police ordered to go to McDonald's for break
C. SS No ocular devices on roofs
D. Not to be on water tower
E. Ordered to Not be on Rooftop of Shooter
F. Police who witnessed suspicious person ordered to take a break.


While you are looking the other way They'll take your right [ear]....to own your own ideas
And it's an inside job
Favors collected
Your trusted servants Have left you unprotected
It was an inside job Like it always is
Just chalk it up To business as usual
 

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Investigator says research 'conclusively proves that two (and possibly three) weapons were fired at Trump and the assembled crowd.'
This makes perfect sense, but it also exposes a MAJOR CONSPIRACY by the Secret Service to have Trump killed. There were too many shots for one person to be responsible, and the various trajectories were different. But this is HUGE.

I trust Donald Trump, his family, and his advisers have taken note of this. Which means that Trump must ABSOLUTELY refuse any more Secret Service "protection". He has to do something immediately to have his own team of veterans/ snipers/security operatives with him at all times. And there should be a large team.

Trump must also demand a TOTALLY INDEPENDENT investigation, which shuts out the FBI and Secret Service altogether. He needs military investigators who are loyal to him and the country, but are there any left? The civilian "law enforcement" agencies are all a part of the plot. Perhaps the CIA is also involved.

It cannot be business as usual, and Congress bringing people in and asking questions resolves nothing.
 

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The issue facing Donald Trump is staggering. Neither the GOP, nor the various government agencies, nor the military, nor the media can be counted on to support Trump in his presidency. And unless he fires the whole Establishment, he will not succeed. I am not sure what he has in mind, but he will be surrounded by enemies on day one.
 

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Hold them accountable

We were told on this thread that Sarah Palin had made a campaign ad with cross hairs on a map indicating 20 elected officials they wanted to primary. We were told that is the same as Biden saying to put Trump in the bulls eye. The difference between this and that is, that after putting Trump in the Bulls eye they shot him.

They have told us that the shooter was a registered Democrat when he was 17 but then recently changed his mind and became a registered Republican. Perhaps that was part of the assassination plan operated by those in charge of the Secret Service. I don’t think an Iranian operation would care, simply more evidence that this plot was staged by the Democrats.

I would like to hope that those who have been gaslighting us on this thread are “better than this” but I doubt it. I would hope that some of the useful idiots on this thread can see that they are the ones who have been brainwashed, not us. I would also remind them of this word “unrepentantly” that they throw around and encourage them to repent.

Finally for those running cover for Biden “It boggles the mind that any Christian would still be a shill for a murderer”.

Next I would remind all the others that several of these trolls have joined this forum in 2024 when Biden and the Democrats began spending millions of dollars to influence social media and forums like this speaking to Christians.

Don’t forget they were slimy enough to refer to “Ketchup” as though this were a photo op and a Jewish hoax hoping they could manipulate a few with that. Hold them accountable for this claim that this was staged. Satan is a liar and a murderer.

They called you a moron, they accused you of idolatry. May the Lord remember.
 

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This makes perfect sense, but it also exposes a MAJOR CONSPIRACY by the Secret Service to have Trump killed. There were too many shots for one person to be responsible, and the various trajectories were different. But this is HUGE.

I trust Donald Trump, his family, and his advisers have taken note of this. Which means that Trump must ABSOLUTELY refuse any more Secret Service "protection". He has to do something immediately to have his own team of veterans/ snipers/security operatives with him at all times. And there should be a large team.

Trump must also demand a TOTALLY INDEPENDENT investigation, which shuts out the FBI and Secret Service altogether. He needs military investigators who are loyal to him and the country, but are there any left? The civilian "law enforcement" agencies are all a part of the plot. Perhaps the CIA is also involved.

It cannot be business as usual, and Congress bringing people in and asking questions resolves nothing.

That's what I was thinking too.
From what he said at the RNC, he's very happy with the SS response and activity that day. In spite of being burned by the LE heads, he has a blind spot that won't change.

Local LE and SS we're "just following orders" will be their defense if any get called in for questioning.
 

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The issue facing Donald Trump is staggering. Neither the GOP, nor the various government agencies, nor the military, nor the media can be counted on to support Trump in his presidency. And unless he fires the whole Establishment, he will not succeed. I am not sure what he has in mind, but he will be surrounded by enemies on day one.
I prayed that he would be safe, but face challenges that would open his eyes to the corruption around him.
If he decides to eliminate certain agencies that are harmful to America, they will pull a JFK again. They probably will before the election. The reprobate leaders in the democrat party are implacable. Romans 1
They cheated on the elections in ways that would make the commie dictators shocked. The made constant false accusations that went to both criminal and civil high courts. Now they are even more desperate to conquer the country at any cost. WW3 isn't beyond them. They just pulled their cyber attack yesterday.

Yup, he needs to fire all the order takers and hire those who will follow his own. The money is certainly there.
The RNC spent $75 million that they applied for. This must've been tax dollars. I think a fraction of that would cover plenty of security. Then he also needs to let last Saturday encourage him to trust the Lord for safety, always. God has not only shown him, but others kindness. The unfortunate widow of the firefighter was provided $6+ million already. That won't bring her husband back, but her family's financial needs are covered as they should be.
 

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Making fun of someone is not nearly the same as calling for the death of your opponent..... Trump is a brash a-hole, granted... but he is also 100% in favor of doing what is best for America.... at least the America the founding fathers intended for us to be.
For sure, brother.
 

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Hold them accountable

We were told on this thread that Sarah Palin had made a campaign ad with cross hairs on a map indicating 20 elected officials they wanted to primary. We were told that is the same as Biden saying to put Trump in the bulls eye. The difference between this and that is, that after putting Trump in the Bulls eye they shot him.

They have told us that the shooter was a registered Democrat when he was 17 but then recently changed his mind and became a registered Republican. Perhaps that was part of the assassination plan operated by those in charge of the Secret Service. I don’t think an Iranian operation would care, simply more evidence that this plot was staged by the Democrats.

I would like to hope that those who have been gaslighting us on this thread are “better than this” but I doubt it. I would hope that some of the useful idiots on this thread can see that they are the ones who have been brainwashed, not us. I would also remind them of this word “unrepentantly” that they throw around and encourage them to repent.

Finally for those running cover for Biden “It boggles the mind that any Christian would still be a shill for a murderer”.

Next I would remind all the others that several of these trolls have joined this forum in 2024 when Biden and the Democrats began spending millions of dollars to influence social media and forums like this speaking to Christians.

Don’t forget they were slimy enough to refer to “Ketchup” as though this were a photo op and a Jewish hoax hoping they could manipulate a few with that. Hold them accountable for this claim that this was staged. Satan is a liar and a murderer.

They called you a moron, they accused you of idolatry. May the Lord remember.
Please mind the rabbit hole you’re almost falling into and please stop throwing around accusations about other members of the forum.
 

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Gaslighting Plan

1. Pick a topic that is essential. Gaslighting involves using all the credibility you have to sell a lie, so don’t waste this effort on something trivial. Pick a big topic like a coverup on an assassination attempt.

2. Start slow, for example begin with a reference to Hitler and the assassination attempt on him.

3. Then remind us that in 2010 Sarah Palin had a campaign ad that identified the 20 Republican districts that voted for the health care bill with “cross hairs”. This shows that Biden saying to put Biden into the bulls eye was simply unfortunate coincidence.

4. Then identify Matthew as “the shooter” and tell us he is a registered republican. Don’t do this immediately, that would raise suspicions, wait a few hours, at least 12. There is a little glitch in that he was a democrat prior to being selected for this role. So make sure you emphasize that he must have had a change of heart rather than let the idea he made this change as part of a cover story.

5. Use words like irrational, paranoid and senile. Remind people that Trump is just as old as Biden.

6. When others bring up the lies of the media tell them “you are better than this”.

7. If people accuse you of being a democrat simply say you are not joining the Trump cult. Later follow up with terms like “brainwashed”.

8. Use terms like “unrepentantly” to try and hammer home to the Christians not to vote for this person.

9. Just in case they don’t get the message (some people are really stupid) just say “It boggles the mind that any Christian can support such a man”.

10. Don’t worry we have a couple of trolls who joined the forum in 2024, they can make the outlandish claims like “Trump was not shot”. Obviously it is an absurd claim but it gives the illusion that everything is still too confused to know.

11. We will use our outrageous trolls to insinuate this was just ketchup and not blood and we will laugh at Corey’s death. The idea being that this was all stage acting and not real. The goal is not to convince anyone, simply to make it seem like everything is too confused right now to know the truth.

12. Then call the assassination attempt a Jewish hoax. The goal is to peel off younger people who believe the reporting on Gaza is make believe.

13. Then We’ll have our second troll support the assertion that this was staged.

14. Continue to hammer this idea that Christians should not vote in elections. As long as spirit filled Christians don’t vote the left will not be restrained and can do as they please.

15. But push the lone gunman, talk about how easy it is for kids to pick up a gun and shoot someone. Push the theory that he was bullied and he is on the spectrum.

16. Try and change the subject, throw anything and everything against the wall to try and get the thread off track. Bring up Greta, a huge favorite. Attack the apostle Paul. Talk about the Ten Commandments in school.

17. Remember — insult. Call any thing that is said to be a “conspiracy theory”. Use terms like stupid and moron and make believe.

18. Talk about idolatry and Trump being deified.

So now that we have seen the full on Gaslighting that has been done let's take a look at the evidence.

1. A 20 year old man who is an actor and worked in commercials for Blackrock apparently was able to sneak a rifle into a Trump rally past the police and the Secret Service. He climbed up a ten foot ladder that just happened to be here, not the same ladder he bought the very same day. He climbs up onto the roof of the command center for the security detail. No one is guarding this roof because of the dangerous slant despite the fact that snipers are on two other roofs with similar slant that is as steep or steeper. Security identifies this person as a potential threat an hour before Trump begins speaking. Snipers watch him for at least three minutes as he takes his position on the roof with a rifle. He is 140 yards away, by all accounts a very easy shot for just about anyone. Does the Secret Service keep Trump off the stage? No. Do they pull him off when they see this person with a rifle on this roof? No. Spectators are crying out that he is there and the police go up to talk to him and he points the rifle at them. One would think that would be the clue to pull Trump off the X, but they don't. A bullet coming from Trump's right side would have blown his head apart had he not at that instant turned to look at a slide on the screen. As a result it clips his ear. He falls to the ground, out of sight of the sniper. Everyone assumes Trump is dead. But then he is mobbed by the Secret Service, he is alive and they have no choice but hustle him off to the car. At least ten witnesses say there was someone on the roof 400 yards away and someone else on the Water tower. But all the officials want everyone to believe the actor in plain sight 140 yards away was a lone wolf who is now conveniently dead. Meanwhile someone shorted Trump's TruthSocial platform, it was a huge bet about 800% bigger than the average daily volume. They did this one day before the shooting and would have made a lot of money had Trump been killed. The amount of money may seem small for a company of Black Rock's size, $50 million but obviously much more than Thomas Matthew Crooks could have invested. So someone knew about this and anticipated Trump being killed as he had been "put into the bulls eye" as Biden said a few days earlier. Not only so but Thomas Matthew Crooks has three encrypted bank accounts overseas. Pretty good for a 20 year old described as being on the spectrum, paranoid, and loner.

I would like to know about the other two people that witnesses saw. But instead of questioning that we are told by several people on this thread to shut up, don't be stupid, it was a lone wolf, and any discussion contrary to that is a conspiracy theory for morons. Yet we hear two experts on these situations who worked for the secret service and who were trained as snipers describing what they see. They find the lapses in the security inexcusable. They consider the explanations given as laughable. Congress wants to question the director of the Secret Service and she is instructed to ignore them.

Meanwhile one week before the assassination attempt Biden is confident that he is doing just fine, everyone who sees he has no chance of winning based on the polls is wrong, and he refuses to drop out. Then a few days after the assassination attempt he says "he has made a mistake" and will drop out if he gets sick. Within 24 hours he announces he has Covid. Nothing strange here.
See post #639.
 

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Actually the claim was made before I commented on it. Why don't you address the ONE who brought it up?
Well I'm not addressing you, I'm addressing the whole general point the enemy army makes. It's indeed because you did not make it up but is such a tired old lie that is exactly what I am meaning in saying that it's just old and boring at this point. It's as tired and old and boring as Biden. Now is a great time to abandon them and come on over and help the Christians make America great again.