Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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He has reconciled all flesh in His Son's death, it will not suffer forever but will be humanely put down, for lack of a better analogy in its rabidity (and here I am making insinuation to subspecies but I want to be clear that God did not lay down His Son's life for dogs). But there remains the judgment of the spirit. I believe this is what is dealt with in the final judgment (what "it" did in your body, the temporal chance given to do anything and primarily the only chance to 'cleave' to His Spirit for eternal life).
This is how I view the ideological interpretation of the elect as being predestined for salvation in Christ rather than the predestination of the elect as those that believe in Christ for salvation. It is a so close miss that it is too easily accepted as reality, but it misses with the same as advising other to believe in Zeus.
Persisting in unbelief generates a hardened heart in light of God's appeal to return to Him, since He does so through His love. Rejecting a loving father by mischaracterizing Him as a selfish tyrant that care nothing for you is evil, indeed.
I have to go, but I'm not mad at nor am I 'trying to devour' anyone. lol.
I have to go, but I'm not mad at nor am I 'trying to devour' anyone. lol.
Well I guess we have both seen those who characterize God as being an unjust tyrant Who kidnaps people against their so-called "free will" because He acts unilaterally to quicken them to life so that they may love Him as He does them... Oh and I don't know why you're saying all that about being mad or trying to devour anyone because I don't believe I have or would ever say those things about you !!! much love to you my sister in Christ 🥰
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Not true about him being the "first" Christian. The Doctrines of Grace are taught throughout the bible by the inspired writers chosen by God to record his Truth.
Now, I have a question or two for you, sir: Is there any record anywhere in the world, or in the bible, of the physically dead (souls that have separated from their bodies) having the ability to respond to natural stimuli? If not, then what would compel you to think that spiritually dead (souls separated from the Spirit of Life) would have any ability to respond to spiritual stimuli?
Secondly, Is there any record anywhere in the world, or in the bible, of the physically resurrected asking to be raised from the dead prior to their death? If not, then what would make you think that spiritual resurrection is a result of someone "asking Jesus into his heart", or someone "praying the sinner's prayer". or someone "walking an aisle", or praying to God for forgiveness, etc? If the physically dead are in fact raised solely by God's sovereign will and his bestowal of the gift of life into a dead body, then why would it be any different with the gift of eternal that God freely and sovereignly gives through Jesus to whomever he pleases (1Pet 3:7; Rom 6:23; Jn 5:21)?
When it comes down to brass tacks, the bible seems to use many more similes than "mere" metaphors. The latter is "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance". Whereas the former is actually stronger and more accurately depicts what often is going on in scripture: The comparison of two unlike things! Similes, therefore, have a strong paradoxical sense that attaches to them; for by definition a "simile" is: "a figure of speech comparing two unlike things". And this is precisely what we have going on with the Doctrine (dare I say it at the risk of using a "worldly" word?) of the Resurrection. Physical resurrection consists of raising the seen, physical dead to temporary new life; whereas spiritual resurrection consists of raising the unseen, spiritual dead to new life eternal. And in both cases the Dead contribute nothing, zip, nada, bupkis, to their restored life.
Personally...methinks Augustine was right on! At least he didn't try to perform great feats of mental gymnastics or torture logic or ignore scripture to formulate his understanding of biblical doctrine.
Now, I have a question or two for you, sir: Is there any record anywhere in the world, or in the bible, of the physically dead (souls that have separated from their bodies) having the ability to respond to natural stimuli? If not, then what would compel you to think that spiritually dead (souls separated from the Spirit of Life) would have any ability to respond to spiritual stimuli?
Secondly, Is there any record anywhere in the world, or in the bible, of the physically resurrected asking to be raised from the dead prior to their death? If not, then what would make you think that spiritual resurrection is a result of someone "asking Jesus into his heart", or someone "praying the sinner's prayer". or someone "walking an aisle", or praying to God for forgiveness, etc? If the physically dead are in fact raised solely by God's sovereign will and his bestowal of the gift of life into a dead body, then why would it be any different with the gift of eternal that God freely and sovereignly gives through Jesus to whomever he pleases (1Pet 3:7; Rom 6:23; Jn 5:21)?
When it comes down to brass tacks, the bible seems to use many more similes than "mere" metaphors. The latter is "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance". Whereas the former is actually stronger and more accurately depicts what often is going on in scripture: The comparison of two unlike things! Similes, therefore, have a strong paradoxical sense that attaches to them; for by definition a "simile" is: "a figure of speech comparing two unlike things". And this is precisely what we have going on with the Doctrine (dare I say it at the risk of using a "worldly" word?) of the Resurrection. Physical resurrection consists of raising the seen, physical dead to temporary new life; whereas spiritual resurrection consists of raising the unseen, spiritual dead to new life eternal. And in both cases the Dead contribute nothing, zip, nada, bupkis, to their restored life.
Personally...methinks Augustine was right on! At least he didn't try to perform great feats of mental gymnastics or torture logic or ignore scripture to formulate his understanding of biblical doctrine.