Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[FollowerofShiloh]

I'm not referring to people who have heard the Gospel, heard of Jesus, or heard of God. I asked about the large number of people throughout history who never did. How about them?

The Great Commission began before the Ascension of Christ. So many people who have [refused] to obey God are responsible for many of these innocent lives.

As we look at Church History we see much of the world was forced into Catholicism and in many places still exist today. Of course after that came Reformation. But the Gospel has been covering much of the known world for Centuries so many people just have no excuse.

But there are no doubt places where only the nations belief system was allowed and everything else banned. However, that really is the minority as we know from researchers who have been successful at discovering these types of questions.

 

[Cameron143]

The Great Commission began before the Ascension of Christ. So many people who have [refused] to obey God are responsible for many of these innocent lives.

As we look at Church History we see much of the world was forced into Catholicism and in many places still exist today. Of course after that came Reformation. But the Gospel has been covering much of the known world for Centuries so many people just have no excuse.

But there are no doubt places where only the nations belief system was allowed and everything else banned. However, that really is the minority as we know from researchers who have been successful at discovering these types of questions.

Still not an answer to the question I asked.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Still not an answer to the question I asked.

Why not?

God has sent people and people have made there way to everyone since the Ascension.

Even the Bible itself was preached by Paul to the KNOWN world of that day. So we have been accomplishing that. People are just rejecting more than people who accept the Gospel.

 

[selahsays]

What about those who die before hearing? Even the phrase "witness to all the nations" qualifies the term "world"; for the text doesn't say that the gospel will be a witness to each and every person in each and every nation. Therefore, we should understand "world" as be used in the limited sense.

@Cameron143
Those who have never heard the Gospel for whatever reason will hear it in the Millennium. They will be taught (methinks) by the Elect. God is always fair.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

- 1 Peter 2:9-10

Also, some folks will be delivered up during Jacob’s Trouble, and the Holy Spirit will speak through them whereby the whole world will hear the gospel.

"But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

- Mark 13:11

 

[BillyBob]

Well, I humbly appreciate your kind words. Thank you so much, BB. And thank you, @Rosemaryx (I appreciate you so much), and thank you @Cameron143 for both of your emoji's of support.

One by one these "people" are put on ignore. People is in quotes because I highly question if they're actual people at all. This last "per


Mersee, because you think this is funny, which is the behavior of abominations, you have joined the hateful Selahsays on the Ignore list. Now you have no voice.

I agree with what other have said in support of your posts. Rather than putting them on ignore, just ignore them in your mind and continue to post what you believe. Just like Rufus said - step back and take a deep breath and regroup! Putting someone on ignore does not solve the problem.

 

[selahsays]

@Cameron143
Those who have never heard the Gospel for whatever reason will hear it in the Millennium. They will be taught (methinks) by the Elect. God is always fair.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

- 1 Peter 2:9-10

Also, some folks will be delivered up during Jacob’s Trouble, and the Holy Spirit will speak through them whereby the whole world will hear the gospel.

"But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

- Mark 13:11

Also, the two witnesses will be preaching during the great tribulation.

 

[Cameron143]

Why not?

God has sent people and people have made there way to everyone since the Ascension.

Even the Bible itself was preached by Paul to the KNOWN world of that day. So we have been accomplishing that. People are just rejecting more than people who accept the Gospel.

So you deny that throughout history that large numbers of people have been born, lived, and died never hearing the Gospel, hearing about Jesus, and hearing about the One true God?

 

[Cameron143]

@Cameron143
Those who have never heard the Gospel for whatever reason will hear it in the Millennium. They will be taught (methinks) by the Elect. God is always fair.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

- 1 Peter 2:9-10

Also, some folks will be delivered up during Jacob’s Trouble, and the Holy Spirit will speak through them whereby the whole world will hear the gospel.

"But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

- Mark 13:11

It is appointed unto men once to die and then the judgment...Hebrews 9:27. So I don't believe as you do.

 

[selahsays]

It is appointed unto men once to die and then the judgment...Hebrews 9:27. So I don't believe as you do.

Very true. Yes.

 

[selahsays]

It is appointed unto men once to die and then the judgment...Hebrews 9:27. So I don't believe as you do.

Do you know when the GWTJ happens?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I agree with what other have said in support of your posts. Rather than putting them on ignore, just ignore them in your mind and continue to post what you believe. Just like Rufus said - step back and take a deep breath and regroup! Putting someone on ignore does not solve the problem.

Thank you. This isn't about taking a deep breath. It is about helping others grow and mature. Further, I have cancer that "doctors" don't want to treat . . . for some reason. Their advice is strong: Eat Right and avoid all drama. Therefore, to avoid drama I put people on ignore. If people cannot understand that, well, what can I say?

Now, I'm really not all that important, so all of you can confirm this by stop talking about this crap and start loving each other.

Good grief, its as if a person needs a four-year collegiate degree to learn how to be nice when in reality, a person who possesses the Fruits of the Spirit proves that their teacher is God in Heaven.

 

[HeIsHere]

Far More importantly...it's pure, unadulterated, undiluted scripture!

And what else can the spiritually dead think about "from birth"? After all, we were all born in darkness when we entered this world. Sin isn't merely second nature to us; it IS our nature! Evil is what we ARE!

Instead of self-loathing and projection I will go with the good news!!

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Genez]

So, grace is now love. Just another fancy way to not answer the question. How did God love the people who I spoke concerning?

You do not know what grace really is....

You are not alone. It boggles my mind how emotional Christians have made grace into something they can emote over

Paul said that grace is God's power.
Power that will enable helpless impotent people to do what God would approve of.

2 Corinthians 12:9​

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But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” ​

Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.​

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1 Corinthians 15:10​

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But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. ​

No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.​

Grace is what it is.....

Not "unmerited favor," which many like saying and hearing it is as they emote good feelings.

Grace is God's *enabling* power.
Power given to spiritual believers.
Power given to make them enabled to be what it is God approves of.

But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. ​

No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.​

There we have it.....
There we can read about it......

 

[Cameron143]

Do you know when the GWTJ happens?

At the end of time. Some time before the eternal estate.

 

[HeIsHere]

You do not know what grace really is....

You are not alone. It boggles my mind how emotional Christians have made grace into something they can emote over

Paul said that grace is God's power.
Power that will enable helpless impotent people to do what God would approve of.

2 Corinthians 12:9​

​

But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” ​

Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.​

​

1 Corinthians 15:10​

​

But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. ​

No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.​

Grace is what it is.....

Not "unmerited favor," which many like saying and hearing it is as they emote good feelings.

Grace is God's *enabling* power.
Power given to spiritual believers.
Power given to make them enabled to be what it is God approves of.

But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. ​

No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.​

There we have it.....
There we can read about it......

Thank you.

Grace is so much more than unmerited favor.

 

[HeIsHere]

Do you know when the GWTJ happens?

What is GWTJ?

 

[Cameron143]

You do not know what grace really is....

You are not alone. It boggles my mind how emotional Christians have made grace into something they can emote over

Paul said that grace is God's power.
Power that will enable helpless impotent people to do what God would approve of.

2 Corinthians 12:9​

​

But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” ​

Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.​

​

1 Corinthians 15:10​

​

But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. ​

No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.​

Grace is what it is.....

Not "unmerited favor," which many like saying and hearing it is as they emote good feelings.

Grace is God's *enabling* power.
Power given to spiritual believers.
Power given to make them enabled to be what it is God approves of.

But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. ​

No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.​

There we have it.....
There we can read about it......

I always enjoy when people don't answer my question and then tell me I don't know something. Blessings.

 

[Genez]

Thank you.

Grace is so much more than unmerited favor.

Unmerited favor is what a mother gives to a young child....

It all depends how much one is willing to mature and grow up in Christ, that determines where one's understanding will hunker down and lock onto .. refusing to be corrected.

 

[Genez]

I always enjoy when people don't answer my question and then tell me I don't know something. Blessings.

You don't even understand what it is you were attempting to respond to.

 

[HeIsHere]

Unmerited favor is what a mother gives to a young child....

It all depends how much one is willing to mature and grow up in Christ, that determine where one's understanding will hunker down and lock onto .. refusing to be corrected.

I understand your point, but love doe not give consideration to merit, a mother should love her child unconditionally.