Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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No, the verse plainly states: Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
They did works but it wasn't the works that the Father willed them to do.
Sure, but He didn't say those were bad things. He did say they had no relationship with Him.
We know that because of Isaiah's Prophecy but we also know who sent Him to Pilate, the ones Jesus spoke Parables to.
No He said they did not do the Will of the Father.
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
But those works are found in the word of God. So they could hear, just not understand that it wasn't works but a relationship with God that is the substance of true salvation...John 17:3.
I said God did not tell them to do the works. I also said nor were they doing the Will of the Father. And Relationship is correct.
VERY NICELY DONE!
Luke10:16
John12:48
It's really not that difficult a concept.
To be a Hearer one must be a Doer. Hear > Do = a Hearer.
The translated word can actually denote obedience.
Now slip in the Total Depravity model to complicate the simplicity.
It clearly says that if you want to make it into that. Ask him to capitalize the h in "hearer" and it's clearer. Or stick with Total Depravity and don't assist but twist.
Does God making you alive while you were dead mean he raped your will? Such strange terminology .
I can hear you if you speak a foreign language, also. Doesn't mean I comprehend what is said...
The gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing. What do they hear?
Perhaps something like, God loves you, you're going to burn in hell.
Forever.
Why didn't they have a relationship with Christ?
21 "Not everyone who says to Me,`Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. (Matt. 7:21 NKJ).
Seems doing the Father's will is required to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Or maybe just a misunderstanding of what God says is not compensable work.
And the Gospel is not foolishness to others who hear it and obey it. The whole issue here is who can hear it and understand it and believe it and why?
Those with ears to hear, hear. To hear some speak, that means some have no ears at all. LOL
But it is not about the physical act of hearing. It is a spiritual issue.
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are
foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Part of the issue seems to be what some believe the natural man capable of.
Does God making you alive while you were dead mean he raped your will? Such strange terminology .
Strange, even aggressive, but not unbiblical if we consider what Paul wished for those pushing a false doctrine of circumcision.
The @FollowerofShiloh point is made clear by provocation. God does not force salvation on people.
What choice did you make while you were dead and God made you alive?
Was that a rape of your will? Really?????