Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[selahsays]

There is no righteous man on earth who never sins (Ecc 7:20).

And we were talking about receiving gospel truth, were we not? The dead will never receive that truth until they are raised from their spiritual tombs.

Would the dead be the tares, like Cain?

 

[Cameron143]

They are lazy and want to please the devil.

Woooow! All you devil pleasers please raise your hand.

 

[Cameron143]

Don't give me your baloney when I know how you view works.

You can't be a hearer if you're not a doer.

You can't be a doer if you don't first hear what you are supposed to do.

 

[rogerg]

You can't be a doer if you don't first hear what you are supposed to do.

Exactly!!!

 

[selahsays]

Woooow! All you devil pleasers please raise your hand.

Devil pleasers? How so?

 

[selahsays]

You can't be a doer if you don't first hear what you are supposed to do.

right.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

You can't be a doer if you don't first hear what you are supposed to do.

I already said that so tell the ones not listening.

 

[Cameron143]

Devil pleasers? How so?

Another poster suggested there were some here who were devil pleasers. I was just wondering who they were.

 

[Cameron143]

I already said that so tell the ones not listening.

You just stated the opposite of this.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

You just stated the opposite of this.

No I did not.

I said they are rejecting what they hear.

Meaning they hear what to do but refuse to do it.

 

[selahsays]

Another poster suggested there were some here who were devil pleases. I was just wondering who they were.

Ah, okay. That’d be the tares. Those whose father is the devil.
"Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. "But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.

- John 8:43-45

 

[rogerg]

You just stated the opposite of this.

FollowerofShiloh also believes that our works are necessary to become saved - hence the other comments.

 

[Cameron143]

Don't give me your baloney when I know how you view works.

You can't be a hearer if you're not a doer.

This is you, right. It clearly says you can't be a hearer until you are a doer.

 

[Cameron143]

Ah, okay. That’d be the tares. Those whose father is the devil.
"Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. "But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.

- John 8:43-45

He was referring to some here.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

FollowerofShiloh also believes that our works are necessary to become saved - hence the other comments.

How so?

God never forced me to submit to Him.

God never raped my Will.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

This is you, right. It clearly says you can't be a hearer until you are a doer.

If you don't do then you are just rejecting God, correct?

 

[rogerg]

He was referring to some here.

Me.

 

[Cameron143]

If you don't do then you are just rejecting God, correct?

Is it true that one must be a doer to become a hearer?

 

[Cameron143]

Me.

The poster said they, but if it makes you feel better, I'm sure you were included.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Is it true that one must be a doer to become a hearer?

I said, and you quoted it already.

If you do not do you are either not listening, which doesn't mean you're not a hearer just only not listening.
And I said if you're are listening but not doing then you are just choosing to reject God.
Either way, you make the choice.