The Law Is Out Of Date And Will "SOON DISAPPEAR"?
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The "LAW" is eternal. It was God's will in 1000 B.C, and God's will hasn't changed. The LAW is just as real and present and in effect in 2024 as it was in 1000 B.C. The Non-Christians will be JUDGED by it at the end of the age.
The Born again Christian, however, since we've been crucified with Christ, and the old man has been judged, and is dead, are immune to the condemnation of the LAW, which has already exacted it penalty on us. (Gal 2:20) WHEN we sin as Christians, it's needful to Repent and confess to God, and our advocate Jesus who will forgive and cleanse us from sin (1 John 1:9)
HOWEVER - the LAW is a statement of God's WILL on many issues. WE are not under the condemnation of the law, but that DOESN'T MEAN that we're free to break it at will. It's NOT O.K. as a Christian to lie, to have an affair your neighbor's wife, to steal, to murder, or to have OTHER GODS before the ONE God - etc. Romans 1 goes into detail.
The Born again Christian, however, since we've been crucified with Christ, and the old man has been judged, and is dead, are immune to the condemnation of the LAW, which has already exacted it penalty on us. (Gal 2:20) WHEN we sin as Christians, it's needful to Repent and confess to God, and our advocate Jesus who will forgive and cleanse us from sin (1 John 1:9)
HOWEVER - the LAW is a statement of God's WILL on many issues. WE are not under the condemnation of the law, but that DOESN'T MEAN that we're free to break it at will. It's NOT O.K. as a Christian to lie, to have an affair your neighbor's wife, to steal, to murder, or to have OTHER GODS before the ONE God - etc. Romans 1 goes into detail.
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“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
John 5:45-47 KJV
Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:22, 24 KJV
Not this
“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
Deuteronomy 5:25 KJV
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
John 5:45-47 KJV
Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:22, 24 KJV
Not this
“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
Deuteronomy 5:25 KJV
Of what need does a Gentile have for the Law of Moses? A Law that was only in place until a better Law came along, which would be the Laws of the Spirit of Life. If the old way is no longer necessary, why cling to it?
Our attention is on Christ alone, and this Spirit within is our Effectual Leader, teacher, and guide . . . providing that such a person would actually possess the Holy Spirit.
What do you think?
Our attention is on Christ alone, and this Spirit within is our Effectual Leader, teacher, and guide . . . providing that such a person would actually possess the Holy Spirit.
What do you think?
I think the flow of our interaction was clear, so I don't understand the confusion. Here it is again, hopefully clarified:
Ferarri Dino: "The law is not binding on Christians."
studier: "What about the Law of Christ" [added words per your "perhaps": Is it - the Law of Christ - binding on Christians?]
Ferarri Dino: "The law is not binding on Christians."
studier: "What about the Law of Christ" [added words per your "perhaps": Is it - the Law of Christ - binding on Christians?]
I don't think the new covenant deals with nations, but individuals. But it's an interesting question. At some point the old covenant had to end and sanctions for Israel's failure applied. At the same time, a covenant of grace runs throughout the old testament period beginning in Genesis 3. So I don't think it was necessarily a promise to national Israel as much as a promise to the seed of Abraham.
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Of what need does a Gentile have for the Law of Moses? A Law that was only in place until a better Law came along, which would be the Laws of the Spirit of Life. If the old way is no longer necessary, why cling to it?
Our attention is on Christ alone, and this Spirit within is our Effectual Leader, teacher, and guide . . . providing that such a person would actually possess the Holy Spirit.
What do you think?
Our attention is on Christ alone, and this Spirit within is our Effectual Leader, teacher, and guide . . . providing that such a person would actually possess the Holy Spirit.
What do you think?
Inside are kept the two tablets that God Himself wrote—not once, but twice.Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
- Revelation 11:19
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Nehemiah6, post: 5300514, member: 258921"]It would be more accurate to say that Christ -- who gave the Law -- observed it perfectly, and He did sum up all the laws into two major laws, which conform to "the Law of Christ".
I agree with that, just wanted to write it in another way hoping people would make the link that Jesus Who is also one with GOD is master and has full authority on everything.
But unless you see that the finished work of Christ established the New Covenant, you will have an incorrect idea about the application of the Law of Moses. The Law of Christ supersedes that of Moses, since the sacrifice of Christ supersedes all the other sacrifices. But there is a lot more to the New Covenant and you owe it to yourself to get acquainted with it thoroughly.
Christ initiated the new covenant yes but how can people who say we do not have to follow the commandments be under the new covenant? The laws that God/Jesus gave on mount horeb written by his own finger are the commandments, this is why Christ explained them and followed them fully. the new covenant says;
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
Jer 31:32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt— a covenant they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 “But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.
Jer 31:34 No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”
If the new covenant is fully in effect it would mean;
Jer 31:34 No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”
This is obviously not the case.
Many will also say this Covenant was given only to Israel but is is obviously given to all who believe in Christ who have received the Holy Spirit. Jesus sent the disciples to go to all the world and teach everything the saw and learned!
A covenant requires an agreement for both sides, Between God the creator and his creation. still no agreement here many refuse to follow the commandments.
Blessings.
I agree with that, just wanted to write it in another way hoping people would make the link that Jesus Who is also one with GOD is master and has full authority on everything.
But unless you see that the finished work of Christ established the New Covenant, you will have an incorrect idea about the application of the Law of Moses. The Law of Christ supersedes that of Moses, since the sacrifice of Christ supersedes all the other sacrifices. But there is a lot more to the New Covenant and you owe it to yourself to get acquainted with it thoroughly.
Christ initiated the new covenant yes but how can people who say we do not have to follow the commandments be under the new covenant? The laws that God/Jesus gave on mount horeb written by his own finger are the commandments, this is why Christ explained them and followed them fully. the new covenant says;
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
Jer 31:32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt— a covenant they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 “But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.
Jer 31:34 No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”
If the new covenant is fully in effect it would mean;
Jer 31:34 No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”
This is obviously not the case.
Many will also say this Covenant was given only to Israel but is is obviously given to all who believe in Christ who have received the Holy Spirit. Jesus sent the disciples to go to all the world and teach everything the saw and learned!
A covenant requires an agreement for both sides, Between God the creator and his creation. still no agreement here many refuse to follow the commandments.
Blessings.
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