The Law Is Out Of Date And Will "SOON DISAPPEAR"?
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Indeed. Nearly all members, here, claim they have received Spiritual healing. There isn't much that can be done here. As soon as I am ready, which will hopefully be in less than a year, I'll be hitting the streets and won't have time to be here any longer.
amen to that what a magnificent post just an addition
“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord,( Jesus and the gospel ) the vail shall be taken away.”
2 Corinthians 3:12-16 KJV
I'm so happy to hear you believe we should keep God's Ten Commandments. Can you please show me where God wrote and said this?
This is what my bible says:
Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Why treat the Sabbath different than the other 9 commandments. Can we edit those too? God tells us we can't. I mean who has more authority than God?
Psalms 89:34
My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:
“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant
When does Christ righteousness ever change? We are told it is everlasting Psa 119:142
No wonder why God personally wrote these Words and spoke them, He had the foresight everyone would forget.
Exo 20:8 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy
There is no scripture that says the Sabbath has been abrogated or can be edited. It was replaced by man just as predicted in scripture Dan 7:25 by traditions. Something Jesus specifically warned us about keeping over His commandments quoting from the Ten, in doing so saying our hearts are far from Him because He placed His law in our hearts, removing something, especially like the Sabbath where in His own Word says we join ourselves with Him when we keep and He blesses us. Isa 56:6 Hopefully something to consider in prayer.
2 Corinthians 3:7, 11-16 KJV
[7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[11] For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. [12] Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: [13] and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: [14] but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
Jesus is saying to keep his commands in the gospel not the commandments given to Israel's rebellious children who didn't have the holy ghost we need the commands for Gods children born of his spirit and washed in his blood in the ot they had a temple so do we a living temple . They had a mediator Moses so do we it's Jesus . They had a preisthood so do we it's Jesus . They had ten commands written on stone tablets we have the word of God become flesh and dwelt among us teaching and healing and promising everlasting life
Christians commandments are the teachings of Christ . Now this will never lead us to lie , chest , kill worship other gods ect so we aren't going to be breaking the commandments but they aren't our commandments if we follow Jesus we won't kill lie chest commit adultery ect not trying to understand God by ten thou shalt nots but by the gospel when he came forth and said here I am and this is my word of life
Christ taught directly from the Ten Commandments teaching not to break the least of them. The one commandment that God said Remember, is holy, blessed and sanctified by God I can't imagine being a least commandment- but yet even if we think it is, He still tells us to keep as it affects our status in heaven. Only God can make something that is holy, unholy, something He sanctified, unsanctified, something He blessed, reversed. Num 23:20 Where is the thus saith the Lord we can break His Sabbath commandment? He in His own Words said He would not alter His Words. Psa 89:34 do we know better than He? All the scriptures He directly tells us not to break and profane His Sabbath. I guess it comes down to do we believe in Him who said to Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy Exo 20:8 , or follow the popular traditions of man
Jesus taught...
Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (found in the Ten Commandments- breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
It doesn't appear Jesus taught we don't need to keep the Ten Commandments- not a jot or tittle can be removed Mat 5:18 until all is fulfilled and that is when Jesus comes in the cloud and why breaking the least of them, affects our status in heaven.
Jesus kept all of the commandments John 15:10 including the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and if we abide in Him, we too would follow His example .1 John 2:6
Jesus taught...
Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (found in the Ten Commandments- breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
It doesn't appear Jesus taught we don't need to keep the Ten Commandments- not a jot or tittle can be removed Mat 5:18 until all is fulfilled and that is when Jesus comes in the cloud and why breaking the least of them, affects our status in heaven.
Jesus kept all of the commandments John 15:10 including the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and if we abide in Him, we too would follow His example .1 John 2:6
Your argument sounds valid if one only considers the Ten Commandments. Once you take into account the other 603 ordinances, the untenability of your claim comes to light.
To whom did Jesus teach these things? Gentiles, or Jews? Was the new covenant in His blood in place at that time?
The New Covenant is made with the same people Heb 8:10, not based on news laws, but based on better promises Heb 8:6 it still has God’s law now written in our hearts and why Sabbath-keeping didn’t end at the Cross Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 Mat 24:20 Isa 66:22-23. God’s people keep God’s commandments Rev 14:12 there is no Jew or Gentile if in Christ, just God’s people grafted in through faith Gal 3:26-28
“Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,Your argument sounds valid if one only considers the Ten Commandments. Once you take into account the other 603 ordinances, the untenability of your claim comes to light.
will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?
If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious,
how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!
And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read.
It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.
Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.
But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.”
2 Corinthians 3:7-9, 11-18 NIV
“The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.”
John 6:63 NIV
Those who walk in His Spirit are not an enmity against God’s law Rom 8:4-8
Paul is hard to understand and never taught anything different than Christ, he was a servant of Christ Rom 1:1, but his teachings came with a warning for this very reason as if he was not in harmony with what Christ taught. He kept every Sabbath Acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 decades after the cross so obviously there are misunderstandings in his words hence 2 Peter 3:16
Paul is not teaching we can murder, vain God’s name, worship other gods, covet or break the least of these commanemnts the opposite of what Jesus taught, he is contrasting walking in His Spirit vs walking in the letter of the law. The Spirit is greater than the letter, not lessor and if walking in His Spirit the letter would automatically be kept just as Jesus taught Mat 5:19-30
Paul is hard to understand and never taught anything different than Christ, he was a servant of Christ Rom 1:1, but his teachings came with a warning for this very reason as if he was not in harmony with what Christ taught. He kept every Sabbath Acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 decades after the cross so obviously there are misunderstandings in his words hence 2 Peter 3:16
Paul is not teaching we can murder, vain God’s name, worship other gods, covet or break the least of these commanemnts the opposite of what Jesus taught, he is contrasting walking in His Spirit vs walking in the letter of the law. The Spirit is greater than the letter, not lessor and if walking in His Spirit the letter would automatically be kept just as Jesus taught Mat 5:19-30
Remind me what covenant the verses in Exodus are a part of.I'm so happy to hear you believe we should keep God's Ten Commandments. Can you please show me where God wrote and said this?
This is what my bible says:
Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Why treat the Sabbath different than the other 9 commandments. Can we edit those too? God tells us we can't. I mean who has more authority than God?
Psalms 89:34
My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:
“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant
When does Christ righteousness ever change? We are told it is everlasting Psa 119:142
No wonder why God personally wrote these Words and spoke them, He had the foresight everyone would forget.
Exo 20:8 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy
There is no scripture that says the Sabbath has been abrogated or can be edited. It was replaced by man just as predicted in scripture Dan 7:25 by traditions. Something Jesus specifically warned us about keeping over His commandments quoting from the Ten, in doing so saying our hearts are far from Him because He placed His law in our hearts, removing something, especially like the Sabbath where in His own Word says we join ourselves with Him when we keep and He blesses us. Isa 56:6 Hopefully something to consider in prayer.
Jesus worked on the sabbath and they hated him because of it
“And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”
John 5:16-18 KJV
realizing why the Jews rejected Jesus needs a man to only look at the law in comparison to the gospel it’s night and day a rough blue print and the finished mansion
at he old covenant was made with specifically the twelve tribes the children of Israel
“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
Deuteronomy 29:1 KJV
The things Jesus taught in the gospel are his words to all people but you have to realize what he was saying to those of the law and those who believed him
Israel was all bound to the old covenant as you see above thats thier covenant Jesus of bc rise told th en to keep the law it was the covenant God made with them through Moses the mediator of the old covenant
when jesus died his words went into effect as the new covenant keeping a day holy there’s nothing wrong with it but when we look at it as our law we then need to actually find out what the law says about it
they weren’t allowed to pick up a stick , or it was a death sentance
“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”
Numbers 15:32, 35-36 KJV
Imagine if that was Christianity …and you machine how truly opposite it is from Christianity and how a commandment says “ thou shalt not kill “ but yet they are being commanded to kill a man for picking up a stick
i wonder why he wasn’t given the chance to repent ?
“But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:”
2 Corinthians 3:7 KJV
consider tbat Jesus teaches us to walk every day n his rest
Not adding to or arguing against anything. Just fixing some typos in an important exhortation.
Jesus never broke the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments, He broke the sabbath of the pharisees, which they added many rules to it, when Christ told us not to alter His Words Psa 89:34 Pro 30:5-6 Claiming Christ worked on the sabbath as if He broke it is basically crucifying Him all over again.
God wrote His law in our hearts, now instead of on tables of stone, it is tables in our hearts and He gives us the power to keep. When we take away from what God placed there Jesus tells us our hearts are far from Him Mat 15:3-14 so seems like a bad idea to me
Jesus taught not to break the commandments John 14:15 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 and in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement. Jesus said not to remove a jot or tittle from His law until all is fulfilled which is when He comes back on the Clouds and His saints meet Him in the air. We do not receive Christ rest (not the Sabbath rest) by being in rebellion to Him and His commandments Isa 48:18 Heb 4:6 Heb 4:11 which includes the Sabbath commandment that Jesus in His own Words said He kept. John 15:10 John 8:46-47 and is our example 1 John 2:6. I guess it just comes down to a matter of faith who do we beleive..
Thank you, in short, seeing what you have said as true, I too see it too, after much past under Law getting choked to death first, finally died to under Law to see Romans 7, Phi 3 as well as many more places, We are forgiven (reconciled) by God through Son first. Seeing. it is God that does it all and has done it for us in Son to us, all that believe God
Matthew 5:17
King James Version
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
John 19:30
King James Version
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Hebrews 7:11-12
King James Version
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Hebrews 9:14-17
King James Version
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
The above verses, reveal to me truth. God by Son won for us to be new in God's Spirit and Truth as called to be as in John 4:23-24 reveals to me what God Father seeks
I have to conclude here that the heart that has not turned to the Lord is veiled, and the glory they have is temporal. They belong to the church of Moses, and we know what condition that is currently in. It is currently sitting in rubble and has a shiny golden dome built on top of it like a glorified pimple on its face.
Matthew 5:17
King James Version
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
John 19:30
King James Version
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Hebrews 7:11-12
King James Version
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Hebrews 9:14-17
King James Version
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
King James Version
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
John 19:30
King James Version
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Hebrews 7:11-12
King James Version
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Hebrews 9:14-17
King James Version
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.