The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

[Thunderrr-mental]

Why would you say such a thing about a brother?

It's ok honestly.

I appreciate your concern.

But let me deal with them, as I'm ok to take what they say as I know what I have, and what I have means more to me than anything, and what I have cant be taken, regardless of name calling or I'll words.

Honestly there words of mean heartedness just makes me want to shine.

Please don't worry for me.

I'm only replying to people who I know have some moral standards left in them today and tomorrow.

I've once again read there comments tho this morning and all I see is a self centred behaviour that's not worth my time and effort.m, because no matter which way I will reply they'll find away to distort it

It's a self centred behaviour that's get harder over time. It's also the behaviour from people Jesus had to contend with, that many people if all walks of life have grown hard in.

Jesus addressed the Israelites many times about it. But as there stubbormess grew harder there love grew colder because they believed they where chosen above others.

Jesus told them it was not the way.

Where just wasting our time with these people,

It's plain to see there trying to provoke reaction to have what your saying discredited when you respond to them, as there stuckk in the idea they've been Chosen above other people.

It's simply not the way.

If it was Jesus would of got rid of all the Romans in there land.

When he comes back he will settle all disputes 😊

 

[Niki7]

Yup, to all that you wrote above.

I was surprised too but I think God allowed it to happen to expose people's hearts. You don't really know how much a Christian abides in Christ until a crisis comes out. Then you see whether they act in accordance to the Holy Spirit or in their flesh. I found it to be very revealing.


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of course there will be an attempt to turn that around, in keeping with the current trend, byt that's ok

I agree but I also think we had a preview in other threads

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Why would you say such a thing about a brother?

watch the peddlers of false doctrines all start attacking fake calvinists that dont even exist.

The real Calvinist know God has divinely sown a seed in everyone 😊

It's all that's happening here false doctrines being peddled.

You'll soon see the hypocrisy, you know where they say don't want this to be about that or this.

But then before to long they make it just about that or this.

It's like some kind of mentality, if being like I have to show what I know to prove I'm more worthy than you.

Or the other mentality that somehow they must rebuke to get approval.

What they have is a religious war going on in there head

 

[Niki7]

They are Messianic Jews.

The 4 videos are from same group.

These are Jews in Israel at the Tomb of Jesus Praising and Worshiping Him and calling Him Messiah.

I attended a Messianic Jewish group some years back before I moved from Montreal. There are many Jews in Montreal or at least were when I lived there but I think alot has changed. When I attended high school, it was the largest high school in the province and almost half the students were Jewish.

When I took a little drive down memory lane, when I was back in Mtl. for my interview with the American consulate, I was surprised and kind of sad to see the entire school had been turned into offices for the French schools.

Have you ever come across the CD 'ADONAI'...subtitle 'the power of worship from the land of Israel' ? I think you can even find it on youtube. It's been out quite a few yrs now.

 

[Magenta]

selahsays let’s all keep studying … bye.

Sounds like a good idea, and you are fortunate to have such a wonderful study partner.

I did wonder also what you meant when you said that only some were chosen, giving the apostles,
the prophets, Paul, and Jeremiah as examples, as if God has no special purpose for other believers,
adding that nobody can know if they are elect or not. To me that last part sounds akin to saying
nobody can know whether or not they are saved, when Scripture attests to the fact that we can
know we possess eternal life. Knowing that means we know we are saved, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Why would you say such a thing about a brother?

Probably its down to the fact that he can't accept the the truth over certain matters.

And because he has issues.

And because he wants to be master around here.

And because like a lot of typical Jewish people they have a nature that pushes people away who dont live up with there ultimate authority. But thank God for the good Jewish disciples 😊

Then because to be heard there happy to sacrifice a life.

So ultimately what your dealing with is a fake Jew.

I wish it was not so but having been on the recieving end of his online abuse for over a month nearly every day.

It's quite clear he as an agenda.

It's also clear that he likes to pull people into his agenda.

Along with interrupting every thing to be the centre of his self centeredness, typical of many Jews

Not only this but he's now placed me in ignore more than 10 times because you know why.

He hasn't really placed me on ignore he just expressing is typical ignorant Jewish nature.

But thank God we have true Jewish people.

But he's not one of them.

But besides all this who knows maybe he will be one day, but my guess is he's in exile with most of the other Jews.

 

[Genez]

true,

But if we stop feeding him, He will go away..

He will not go away....

He picks up Christian buzz words that he does not fully understand to introduce into a narrative to make it look like he is a Christian. He wants to annoy Christians who are not discussing himself, for he wants to become the focus of attention. And, he gets it to some degree.

We either all put him on Ignore, or he will always be finding someone to suck blood out of.

He has spirits that are training him to become something bigger down the road.... That will manipulate Christians and confuse us so nothing can be discussed to a resolved ending.

In Bible college some wandered in like him and stayed for a while... until they got kicked out by being ignored who in their presence we could sense their spirit first hand. Online there is a separation not allowing for such discernment. So we must base it upon what he says, which is always changing.. and at times absurd because he does not know that a term he picked up on makes no sense the way he uses it. In other words? He is a faker who is spirit guided by spirits who are using him to try to get to us....

What would kill him is boredom. So, he will always try to stir things up, but in a non edifying way.
Its not iron sharpening iron as some might think.

He will fail at what his guiding spirits wish they can make him to be and use him for. Because he is not smart enough to pull it off.. As we see here him being exposed.

The only thing that will save him is sound doctrinal teachings which he is highly repulsed by... He needs a fairy tale world to live in. The secular world would not tolerate him for very long. Christians he feels safe with... Its a mess. He needs to become disciplined but demands that he remain a free spirit..... So be it.

​

Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself ​

and take up his cross and follow Me." Matthew 16:24​

That will require suffering for a season while God does his transformational work by means of training to think straight. It is sound doctrine being taught it will lead to freedom once what is needed is found and understood. But to acquire what is needed is just the opposite as what he does. He will not take up his cross and stop following those spirits that give him a sense of being able to survive by faking it. Jesus covered that issue when he said....

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever ​

will lose his life for my sake shall find it." Matthew 16:25​

That is the key that some toss away when life becomes too real which requires real answers to resolve. That is when many quit and conform to the ways of the world as a means to survive this life...

So be it.

 

[Niki7]

He will not go away....

He picks up Christian buzz words that he does not fully understand to introduce into a narrative to make it look like he is a Christian. He wants to annoy Christians who are not discussing himself, for he wants to become the focus of attention. And, he gets it to some degree.

We either all put him on Ignore, or he will always be finding someone to suck blood out of.

He has spirits that are training him to become something bigger down the road.... That will manipulate Christians and confuse us so nothing can be discussed to a resolved ending.

In Bible college some wandered in like him and stayed for a while... until they got kicked out by being ignored who in their presence we could sense their spirit first hand. Online there is a separation not allowing for such discernment. So we must base it upon what he says, which is always changing.. and at times absurd because he does not know that a term he picked up on makes no sense the way he uses it. In other words? He is a faker who is spirit guided by spirits who are using him to try to get to us....

What would kill him is boredom. So, he will always try to stir things up, but in a non edifying way.
Its not iron sharpening iron as some might think.

He will fail at what his guiding spirits wish they can make him to be and use him for. Because he is not smart enough to pull it off.. As we see here him being exposed.

The only thing that will save him is sound doctrinal teachings which he is highly repulsed by... He needs a fairy tale world to live in. The secular world would not tolerate him for very long. Christians he feels safe with... Its a mess. He needs to become disciplined but demands that he remain a free spirit..... So be it.

​

Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself ​

and take up his cross and follow Me." Matthew 16:24​

That will require suffering for a season while God does his transformational work by means of training to think straight. It is sound doctrine being taught it will lead to freedom once what is needed is found and understood. But to acquire what is needed is just the opposite as what he does. He will not take up his cross and stop following those spirits that give him a sense of being able to survive by faking it. Jesus covered that issue when he said....

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever ​

will lose his life for my sake shall find it." Matthew 16:25​

That is the key that some toss away when life becomes too real which requires real answers to resolve. That is when many quit and conform to the ways of the world as a means to survive this life...

So be it.

He has been reported many times and I will not report him again myself. I do not understand why he is allowed to continue as people have been banned for less.

He attached himself to another person who purports to have all these dreams/visions from God who has also said that he is in a place where the Bible is secondary to his experiences. They had many conversations together and of course this other person branded all who tried to tell him he was not experiencing God, as false and anti-Christ.

At that time, a good number of people were countering and exposing the false spirits and eventually he left for some time...but following a biblical pattern, he came back

So, since nothing is done about his rantings, I have ignored him and it seems to me if we all do that he will be bored since he likes players in the games he devises.

But like I said, others have been banned for far less so.......in fact, banning him is obvious. Restricting his ranting seems a better a choice.

He is mocking us all and for some reason is allowed to do so. And discussion that might be fruitful seems to be attacked and not always just by him.

You do not have to take any advice from me, but calling people liars here or non-Christian can result in a ban. I would say leave him and we are not ignorant of what is going on

 

[Niki7]

We either all put him on Ignore, or he will always be finding someone to suck blood out of.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Ignorant people don't ignore they just pretend to.

They can't ignore because there self centred there bound by the law.

So they may like to think they can ignore with there free will

But no

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

This was studied for the worthy

Why does this matter to you whether im Jewish

Or why should it matter if I'm a universalist

Or why should it matter what label I am, or what label anyone else is.

The only thing that matters is how precious Gods life is.

And also his Life lives in everyone,

His word says Jesus was the living stone that became a more precious stone and all people have a stone of Jesus living in them before they to become a more precious stone, that's what his word says.

And his words says all people are in the book of life with his stone of life, a heavenly jewel given to Adam to be the jewel of all men, whether governed by the power of life or under the power of death.

His word says all people are in the book of life and remain in his book of life unless they are blotted out.

They all have the same name, it's called life and a living stone of Jesus. That is eunique to them because there earthly body inscribes his stone with a eunique identity, but it's still all the same to God, it's called his life.

The holy spirit spoke to the Jews and said you where not once a people and now you are.

is this universal yes it is, it is God's life, that lives in everyone, and his life ties everyone to the old covenant with his laws written on there hearts , and the only way the old covenant is taken away is unless it's taken away by the chief corner stone Christ

This is the universal life of Christ it's the truth of all truth.


Neither is it being a troll it's called being a steward of God's word.

Neither it is being a universalist

It's called valuing life, his life

It's called telling people what they have.

It's called asking people to search within.

Are theese people going to universal about this.

Well no take a look around buddy.

Is it not universal that God wants all life saved.

Should it matter what label is out on his life.

What matter is the ransom he put on his life.

What matters is making people feal they have something, a living stone of Jesus in them.

What matter is telling them where this life was created in Adam in heaven to be the life of all people.

They have to listen tho.

Are you listening

Well do the right thing and accept it.

Because this distortion is leading no where.

The bible Is not about who is more chosen than anyone else.

God had to start somewhere right.


Now you listen to these words and you take them in.

And you bless this lady. And you stop listening to self centred people here. Bullies they are..

 

[Genez]

But you answered in the affirmative when I asked,

Ah... so is it that you believe not all were chosen, but of those not chosen, some will choose to believe regardless?

You follow that up by saying all who believe are elect. So you really have not been solid on your stance.

We have been chosen because God knew we would believe.

God knew Moses and David would believe in Him.
But God did not choose David and Moses for what we were chosen for.

We were chosen by God before the foundation of the world to be entered into the body of Christ to become His Bride!
That is what we have been chosen for before the foundation of the world because God knew we would choose to believe in Him.

The Son picks a bride! We have been chosen!

Calvinism really threw a wrench in the gears about that factor.... That God must choose us to even believe?
What's He got in that case?
A robot He programs to do his will.
TULIP was an attack on the peace that can be found if a believer truly matures in Christ.

Yes.... we are in a war. The enemy is ruthless and wants no one to win.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against ​

the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12​

Keep in mind our hope in the face of all that. Jesus told us that the Truth will make you free. That is why so much distortion and false teachings will abound around us. For they are at war against us finding success in living for the Lord. In becoming strong in faith and knowing what we are dealing with. For they are his enemies that He is now making into His footstool....

In other words?


... they will not appreciate us too much.

Yet he will supply us with a happiness they can not put a dent in if we continue to keep growing in grace and knowledge of God's Word.


grace and peace .............

 

[Genez]

Ignorant people don't ignore they just pretend to.

They can't ignore because there self centred there bound by the law.

So they may like to think they can ignore with there free will

But no

That's the manipulator's mantra!

 

[Genez]

Why would you say such a thing about a brother?

"Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time.
After that, have nothing to do with him." Titus 3:10​

.........

 

[Genez]

true,

But if we stop feeding him, He will go away..

He will not go away....

He picks up Christian buzz words that he does not fully understand to introduce into a narrative to make it look like he is a Christian. He wants to annoy Christians who are not discussing himself, for he wants to become the focus of attention. And, he gets it to some degree.

We either all put him on Ignore, or he will always be finding someone to suck blood out of.

He has spirits that are training him to become something bigger down the road.... That will manipulate Christians and confuse us so nothing can be discussed to a resolved ending.

In Bible college some wandered in like him and stayed for a while... until they got kicked out by being ignored who in their presence we could sense their spirit first hand. Online there is a separation not allowing for such discernment. So we must base it upon what he says, which is always changing.. and at times absurd because he does not know that a term he picked up on makes no sense the way he uses it. In other words? He is a faker who is spirit guided by spirits who are using him to try to get to us....

What would kill him is boredom. So, he will always try to stir things up, but in a non edifying way.
Its not iron sharpening iron as some might think.

He will fail at what his guiding spirits wish they can make him to be and use him for. Because he is not smart enough to pull it off.. As we see here him being exposed.

The only thing that will save him is sound doctrinal teachings which he is highly repulsed by... He needs a fairy tale world to live in. The secular world would not tolerate him for very long. Christians he feels safe with... Its a mess. He needs to become disciplined but demands that he remain a free spirit..... So be it.

​

Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself ​

and take up his cross and follow Me." Matthew 16:24​

That will require suffering for a season while God does his transformational work by means of training to think straight. It is sound doctrine being taught it will lead to freedom once what is needed is found and understood. But to acquire what is needed is just the opposite as what he does. He will not take up his cross and stop following those spirits that give him a sense of being able to survive by faking it. Jesus covered that issue when he said....

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever ​

will lose his life for my sake shall find it." Matthew 16:25​

That is the key that some toss away when life becomes too real which requires real answers to resolve. That is when many quit and conform to the ways of the world as a means to survive this life...

So be it.

 

[Genez]

The real Calvinist know God has divinely sown a seed in everyone 😊

Say that again?

Try explaining how that is so.....

 

[Genez]

He has been reported many times and I will not report him again myself. I do not understand why he is allowed to continue as people have been banned for less.

He attached himself to another person who purports to have all these dreams/visions from God who has also said that he is in a place where the Bible is secondary to his experiences. They had many conversations together and of course this other person branded all who tried to tell him he was not experiencing God, as false and anti-Christ.

At that time, a good number of people were countering and exposing the false spirits and eventually he left for some time...but following a biblical pattern, he came back

So, since nothing is done about his rantings, I have ignored him and it seems to me if we all do that he will be bored since he likes players in the games he devises.

But like I said, others have been banned for far less so.......in fact, banning him is obvious. Restricting his ranting seems a better a choice.

He is mocking us all and for some reason is allowed to do so. And discussion that might be fruitful seems to be attacked and not always just by him.

You do not have to take any advice from me, but calling people liars here or non-Christian can result in a ban. I would say leave him and we are not ignorant of what is going on

Evil wishes to perfect him to become someone feared by Christians.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

He will not go away....

He picks up Christian buzz words that he does not fully understand to introduce into a narrative to make it look like he is a Christian. He wants to annoy Christians who are not discussing himself, for he wants to become the focus of attention. And, he gets it to some degree.

We either all put him on Ignore, or he will always be finding someone to suck blood out of.

He has spirits that are training him to become something bigger down the road.... That will manipulate Christians and confuse us so nothing can be discussed to a resolved ending.

In Bible college some wandered in like him and stayed for a while... until they got kicked out by being ignored who in their presence we could sense their spirit first hand. Online there is a separation not allowing for such discernment. So we must base it upon what he says, which is always changing.. and at times absurd because he does not know that a term he picked up on makes no sense the way he uses it. In other words? He is a faker who is spirit guided by spirits who are using him to try to get to us....

What would kill him is boredom. So, he will always try to stir things up, but in a non edifying way.
Its not iron sharpening iron as some might think.

He will fail at what his guiding spirits wish they can make him to be and use him for. Because he is not smart enough to pull it off.. As we see here him being exposed.

The only thing that will save him is sound doctrinal teachings which he is highly repulsed by... He needs a fairy tale world to live in. The secular world would not tolerate him for very long. Christians he feels safe with... Its a mess. He needs to become disciplined but demands that he remain a free spirit..... So be it.

​

Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself ​

and take up his cross and follow Me." Matthew 16:24​

That will require suffering for a season while God does his transformational work by means of training to think straight. It is sound doctrine being taught it will lead to freedom once what is needed is found and understood. But to acquire what is needed is just the opposite as what he does. He will not take up his cross and stop following those spirits that give him a sense of being able to survive by faking it. Jesus covered that issue when he said....

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever ​

will lose his life for my sake shall find it." Matthew 16:25​

That is the key that some toss away when life becomes too real which requires real answers to resolve. That is when many quit and conform to the ways of the world as a means to survive this life...

So be it.

Yes where seeing the typical slanderous attitude coming from the typical self centred Jew, who in the real world attacks God everyday thinking hes more chosen than another precious life yet to be saved.

Only trouble is he's in exile with his stained through rags

 

[Niki7]

Evil wishes to perfect him to become someone feared by Christians.

Christians should be putting on the armor and developing their senses in the spritual realm. We are not to fear...fear is not of God and we cast out all fear in the name of Jesus and place the shed blood of our Savior between us and the intent of the evil one.

There is a person there and we do not fight against flesh and blood and I know how difficult it can be at times to desire to physically do something but then we forget what is really going on.

I do know what I am talking about but I do not share in this forum. We should all be able to identify spirits that are not of the Spirit of God before it is too late. If anyone thinks deception is stong now, it is really only a small taste of the future.

Again, no fear....we are not born again to fear.

 

[Niki7]

Say that again?

Try explaining how that is so.....

well you can continue but I divest myself of that nonsense

First you identify it and then you continue anyway