The Myth of Original Sin?
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Yes, bc Adam was the original head of our human family (sons and daughters of man). Christ then replaced Adam allowing us to be saved.
Paul compared Adam to christ.
romans 5:18 “As one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men”
We are also looked at as a group, not individuals. Hence the church is a group and each person playing a part.
romans 12:4 We have many parts in the one body, and all these parts have different functions. In the same way, though we are many, we are one body in union with Christ, and we are all joined to each other as different parts of one body.
We are not separated from Adam, we are literally a part of him.
Paul compared Adam to christ.
romans 5:18 “As one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men”
We are also looked at as a group, not individuals. Hence the church is a group and each person playing a part.
romans 12:4 We have many parts in the one body, and all these parts have different functions. In the same way, though we are many, we are one body in union with Christ, and we are all joined to each other as different parts of one body.
We are not separated from Adam, we are literally a part of him.
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If read Genesis chapter 2:1 God speaking,
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.
Here, we see that disobeying God produces death. After what is known as the fall of man, everyone experienced death at some point. The law identified things that offended God, and those who did them were transgressing AGAINST THE LAW OR sinning.
The state of man is the punishment of death due to sin. We die a physical death, and without Christ, we are dead spiritually.
The act of violating the law is a sin; therefore, to brings forth a repercussion that can have an effect in the body and an eternal condition without Christ.
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Eve was constructed with material taken from Adam's body. However: she
was completed and fully sentient prior to Adam tasting the forbidden fruit, so
it was too late for him to pass the so-called fallen nature on to her by means
of reproduction.
In the past, I was certain that the fruit contained something in it; but when
Eve tasted the fruit, nothing happened. She went right on in the buff as
usual and didn't become sensitive about her appearance till Adam tasted it.
So if we rule out the chemistry of the fruit as the source of the fallen nature,
and rule out the chemistry of Adam's body, then what/who was the cause of
Eve's new feelings about herself naked?
Well; I suggest the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2) He has the power of
death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the
human mind in ways not easily detected. (e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and
Eph 2:2.)
FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people . . . in the womb or out
of the womb?
REPLY: Adam and his wife demonstrate the Serpent's ability to work on
adults, but I'm guessing he gets to most everybody else in the womb. (Ps
51:5 & Ps 58:3)
* I really have to hand it to the Serpent; he's very good at shifting blame
away from himself. For quite a few years now it's been traditional to believe
fathers propagate the fallen nature when it's been the Serpent all along.
Jesus' statement: "You are of your father the Devil" wasn't idle slander;
rather, it's 100% fact. (John 8:44)
How the Serpent has managed to deceive so many people for so long a time
I don't know, but what's really ironic about it is that there are people behind
pulpits, and chairing whole Sunday school departments, helping him do it as
unsuspecting accomplices; which goes to show that if an idea is repeated
often enough, widely enough, and loud enough by people held in high
enough esteem; pretty soon it's accepted by the masses as fact without
thought or question. (Asch Conformity Phenomenon)
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong;
Gives it a superficial appearance of being right.
(Thomas Paine)
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Eve was constructed with material taken from Adam's body. However: she
was completed and fully sentient prior to Adam tasting the forbidden fruit, so
it was too late for him to pass the so-called fallen nature on to her by means
of reproduction.
In the past, I was certain that the fruit contained something in it; but when
Eve tasted the fruit, nothing happened. She went right on in the buff as
usual and didn't become sensitive about her appearance till Adam tasted it.
So if we rule out the chemistry of the fruit as the source of the fallen nature,
and rule out the chemistry of Adam's body, then what/who was the cause of
Eve's new feelings about herself naked?
Well; I suggest the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2) He has the power of
death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the
human mind in ways not easily detected. (e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and
Eph 2:2.)
FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people . . . in the womb or out
of the womb?
REPLY: Adam and his wife demonstrate the Serpent's ability to work on
adults, but I'm guessing he gets to most everybody else in the womb. (Ps
51:5 & Ps 58:3)
* I really have to hand it to the Serpent; he's very good at shifting blame
away from himself. For quite a few years now it's been traditional to believe
fathers propagate the fallen nature when it's been the Serpent all along.
Jesus' statement: "You are of your father the Devil" wasn't idle slander;
rather, it's 100% fact. (John 8:44)
How the Serpent has managed to deceive so many people for so long a time
I don't know, but what's really ironic about it is that there are people behind
pulpits, and chairing whole Sunday school departments, helping him do it as
unsuspecting accomplices; which goes to show that if an idea is repeated
often enough, widely enough, and loud enough by people held in high
enough esteem; pretty soon it's accepted by the masses as fact without
thought or question. (Asch Conformity Phenomenon)
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong;
Gives it a superficial appearance of being right.
(Thomas Paine)
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When Adam and Eve did this that God commanded him not to
“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:17 KJV
It caused thier children all of mankind to have this conflicted knowledge in them
“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me;
but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. ( this isn’t supposed to be there only what God says is meant to be man’s guide this knowledge was forbidden because zgod knew it would make us sinners caught between good and evil )
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
Romans 7:18-24 KJV
It’s why we need to be saved and why the Bible tells us all this stuff about good and evil sin and death blessings and cursings ect and most importantly hearing the gospel and believing
theres rhyme and reason to the Bible we need to be saved because of what Adam did in Eden transgressing that command because it affected them it also affected thier offspring they became corrupt with knowledge not meant for mankind’s mind and heart .
the wrong knowledge caused us to fall through adams sin into death and the truth of Gods sets us free and gives us life through Christ
Adams transgression was to take in the knowledge of good and evil knowledge remains active in minds and hearts it’s the whole reason we need to be reborn in Christ through the gospel and the truth
Good and evil wasn’t meant for us this word is meant for us
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
when we begin to hear the truth of the gospel, “the spirit that quickens us “ this begins to happen
“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:21-24 KJV
thats what changes the snare in Roman’s seven that’s within man the law of sin is because of good and evil always pulling us through our spirit and flesh in a conflict “ when I would do good evil is right there with me this other law wars against my mind bringing me into captivity to the law of sin in my members “
jesus and the gospel can change that conflict and give us victory of the spirit
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. ( see Roman’s seven )
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”
Galatians 5:16-18 KJV
The word of Christ in the gospel does this
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Hebrews 4:12
but we so often are told not to listen and learn from him instead just look at the cross ……so often we don’t see any effective change in our nature
“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:17 KJV
It caused thier children all of mankind to have this conflicted knowledge in them
“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me;
but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. ( this isn’t supposed to be there only what God says is meant to be man’s guide this knowledge was forbidden because zgod knew it would make us sinners caught between good and evil )
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
Romans 7:18-24 KJV
It’s why we need to be saved and why the Bible tells us all this stuff about good and evil sin and death blessings and cursings ect and most importantly hearing the gospel and believing
theres rhyme and reason to the Bible we need to be saved because of what Adam did in Eden transgressing that command because it affected them it also affected thier offspring they became corrupt with knowledge not meant for mankind’s mind and heart .
the wrong knowledge caused us to fall through adams sin into death and the truth of Gods sets us free and gives us life through Christ
Adams transgression was to take in the knowledge of good and evil knowledge remains active in minds and hearts it’s the whole reason we need to be reborn in Christ through the gospel and the truth
Good and evil wasn’t meant for us this word is meant for us
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
when we begin to hear the truth of the gospel, “the spirit that quickens us “ this begins to happen
“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:21-24 KJV
thats what changes the snare in Roman’s seven that’s within man the law of sin is because of good and evil always pulling us through our spirit and flesh in a conflict “ when I would do good evil is right there with me this other law wars against my mind bringing me into captivity to the law of sin in my members “
jesus and the gospel can change that conflict and give us victory of the spirit
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. ( see Roman’s seven )
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”
Galatians 5:16-18 KJV
The word of Christ in the gospel does this
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Hebrews 4:12
but we so often are told not to listen and learn from him instead just look at the cross ……so often we don’t see any effective change in our nature
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Eze 18:19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
No person is guilty for the sins of other people for that is their sins, but every person will bear their own sin.
Like black people that say white guilt but it is a meaningless thing to say for no person is guilty for the sins of other people.
It does not matter if your father is Hitler if you do not go along with him then you are not guilty.
We are not blamed for the sin of Adam and Eve for that is their sin.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
God put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden for He gave them a choice
Since they were created in God's image, and knowing Him then they could only go by what He told them seeing no other alternative which it would of never entered their mind to eat off that tree unless an outside source tempted them.
So God allowed Satan to tempt Eve which he asked the question did God say you shall not eat of every tree in the garden, and she said that they could not eat of the tree for she could not think any different.
Then Satan tempted her with an alternate reality that if they ate of the tree they would be as gods having an elevated position, and be in control of their destiny to be able to make choices for themselves being able to choose good or evil.
Then Eve ate of the tree and sinned, and then she was the outside source that tempted Adam that nothing bad happened to her, and she did not die, and Adam ate of the tree and sinned.
Then they had a choice between good and evil, so all their offspring have a choice between good and evil.
Adam and Eve were born knowing God but their offspring are born with a choice so they are born not knowing God so they will do wrong before they repent to get right with Him so all people have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
We do not inherit Adam and Eve's sin for that is their sin.
We are born innocent with no sin on our record which is why the Bible says the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones.
It is only when we sin when we have understanding it is wrong but we want to do it anyway that we then are not innocent anymore.
Which takes away the excuse that homosexual people say that they are born homosexual for it is a sin so if we are born innocent with no sin on our record then the sin of homosexuality would not be there, or any other sin people think they are born with.
Adam and Eve gave all their offspring a choice so they are born not knowing God and will do wrong before they repent and follow Him.
We do not inherit the sin of Adam and Eve but we inherit their nature of choice that they received after they ate of that tree.
We are born innocent with no sin on our record and then later in life then it becomes a sin nature for we will sin before we repent and do right because we are born not knowing God.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
No person is guilty for the sins of other people for that is their sins, but every person will bear their own sin.
Like black people that say white guilt but it is a meaningless thing to say for no person is guilty for the sins of other people.
It does not matter if your father is Hitler if you do not go along with him then you are not guilty.
We are not blamed for the sin of Adam and Eve for that is their sin.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
God put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden for He gave them a choice
Since they were created in God's image, and knowing Him then they could only go by what He told them seeing no other alternative which it would of never entered their mind to eat off that tree unless an outside source tempted them.
So God allowed Satan to tempt Eve which he asked the question did God say you shall not eat of every tree in the garden, and she said that they could not eat of the tree for she could not think any different.
Then Satan tempted her with an alternate reality that if they ate of the tree they would be as gods having an elevated position, and be in control of their destiny to be able to make choices for themselves being able to choose good or evil.
Then Eve ate of the tree and sinned, and then she was the outside source that tempted Adam that nothing bad happened to her, and she did not die, and Adam ate of the tree and sinned.
Then they had a choice between good and evil, so all their offspring have a choice between good and evil.
Adam and Eve were born knowing God but their offspring are born with a choice so they are born not knowing God so they will do wrong before they repent to get right with Him so all people have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
We do not inherit Adam and Eve's sin for that is their sin.
We are born innocent with no sin on our record which is why the Bible says the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones.
It is only when we sin when we have understanding it is wrong but we want to do it anyway that we then are not innocent anymore.
Which takes away the excuse that homosexual people say that they are born homosexual for it is a sin so if we are born innocent with no sin on our record then the sin of homosexuality would not be there, or any other sin people think they are born with.
Adam and Eve gave all their offspring a choice so they are born not knowing God and will do wrong before they repent and follow Him.
We do not inherit the sin of Adam and Eve but we inherit their nature of choice that they received after they ate of that tree.
We are born innocent with no sin on our record and then later in life then it becomes a sin nature for we will sin before we repent and do right because we are born not knowing God.
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Romans 5:12 Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned
Take note that the above verse is of course correct but this is what many people think it says:
"Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so SIN spread to all men because all men sinned"
That misreading/eisegesis is the basis for the doctrine that Adam's sin was passed down to all of us but of course that is not what the verse says. Death is what is passed down to us, and of course that is only because we also sin, "so death spread to all men because all men sinned"
So, death is only spread to those who sin, and of course all above the age of accountability have sinned.
Adam's sin is not spread to others making original sin/inherited sin incorrect because that is not what Paul teaches.
Death is spread, but only to those that have sinned.
So, a baby is born without Adam's sin. When the child reaches the age of accountability and then sins, a spiritual death comes to them and the only way to remove it is to be forgiven and be born again.
Take note that the above verse is of course correct but this is what many people think it says:
"Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so SIN spread to all men because all men sinned"
That misreading/eisegesis is the basis for the doctrine that Adam's sin was passed down to all of us but of course that is not what the verse says. Death is what is passed down to us, and of course that is only because we also sin, "so death spread to all men because all men sinned"
So, death is only spread to those who sin, and of course all above the age of accountability have sinned.
Adam's sin is not spread to others making original sin/inherited sin incorrect because that is not what Paul teaches.
Death is spread, but only to those that have sinned.
So, a baby is born without Adam's sin. When the child reaches the age of accountability and then sins, a spiritual death comes to them and the only way to remove it is to be forgiven and be born again.
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"We are not blamed for the sin of Adam and Eve for that is their sin."
Yes were held accountable for our own sins condemned by what they did to man Their sin is what caused mankind to be sinners
18Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation,
even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
Romans 5
What they did in Eden us what made mankind corrupt knowing good and evil and caused mankind to be conflicted between good and evil. The very first transgression is the issue we sinners deal with they were made in Gods image and free , when they did that it sold mankind into sin
Yes were held accountable for our own sins condemned by what they did to man Their sin is what caused mankind to be sinners
18Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation,
even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
Romans 5
What they did in Eden us what made mankind corrupt knowing good and evil and caused mankind to be conflicted between good and evil. The very first transgression is the issue we sinners deal with they were made in Gods image and free , when they did that it sold mankind into sin
The term "original sin" is not from the Bible. We did not inherit "Adam's sin" either, since no one is accountable for another person's sins.
However, we did "inherit" Adam's sin nature ("the flesh" or "the old man"), because "sin and death" go together, and Romans 5:12 confirms this. Romans 5 also gives us more insight into what we "inherited" from Adam, and how Christ made provision to free us from the bondage of sin and death.
While many believers have died (and will die) physically, none will face the Second Death, and all will be resurrected by Christ at the Resurrection/Rapture.
However, we did "inherit" Adam's sin nature ("the flesh" or "the old man"), because "sin and death" go together, and Romans 5:12 confirms this. Romans 5 also gives us more insight into what we "inherited" from Adam, and how Christ made provision to free us from the bondage of sin and death.
While many believers have died (and will die) physically, none will face the Second Death, and all will be resurrected by Christ at the Resurrection/Rapture.
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inherit Adam's sin? i would say it was imputed to all his posterity. i believe this is what Paul is telling us in those densely packed verses. the writer to the Hebrews adds to the thought in chapter 7:9-10.
sin is not imputed where there is no law. Nevertheless DEATH REIGNED from Adam to Moses...
why were people dying if there was no law to transgress? this is the question we're being led to ask.
now, before anyone gets worked up by the notion Adam's sin was imputed to us, allow me to ask how people feel about Christ's righteousness being imputed to us.
sin is not imputed where there is no law. Nevertheless DEATH REIGNED from Adam to Moses...
why were people dying if there was no law to transgress? this is the question we're being led to ask.
now, before anyone gets worked up by the notion Adam's sin was imputed to us, allow me to ask how people feel about Christ's righteousness being imputed to us.
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inherit Adam's sin? i would say it was imputed to all his posterity. i believe this is what Paul is telling us in those densely packed verses. the writer to the Hebrews adds to the thought in chapter 7:9-10.
sin is not imputed where there is no law. Nevertheless DEATH REIGNED from Adam to Moses...
why were people dying if there was no law to transgress? this is the question we're being led to ask.
now, before anyone gets worked up by the notion Adam's sin was imputed to us, allow me to ask how people feel about Christ's righteousness being imputed to us.
sin is not imputed where there is no law. Nevertheless DEATH REIGNED from Adam to Moses...
why were people dying if there was no law to transgress? this is the question we're being led to ask.
now, before anyone gets worked up by the notion Adam's sin was imputed to us, allow me to ask how people feel about Christ's righteousness being imputed to us.
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