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“Did the bible says " I and my Father is one" No. Not in the Bible.”-
It’s not in the Bible ?
“I and my Father are one.”
John 10:30 KJV
think of it like this friend
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:24 KJV
“Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:”
1 John 4:2
Now look at what Jesus was saying
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
John 14:6-10 KJV
My belief is in one God , he became flesh lived and died his name is jesus , then he rose from the dead and ascended back to his eternal glory .
But it does t harm me in any way of you believe Jesus is a different person from God. I believe God in heaven became a man the. Died and rose and returned to heaven offering salvation to believers of his gospel ….
But again if you don’t believe the same it doesn’t really affect me or anything I’m glad you have a belief in God
It’s not in the Bible ?
“I and my Father are one.”
John 10:30 KJV
think of it like this friend
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:24 KJV
“Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:”
1 John 4:2
Now look at what Jesus was saying
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
John 14:6-10 KJV
My belief is in one God , he became flesh lived and died his name is jesus , then he rose from the dead and ascended back to his eternal glory .
But it does t harm me in any way of you believe Jesus is a different person from God. I believe God in heaven became a man the. Died and rose and returned to heaven offering salvation to believers of his gospel ….
But again if you don’t believe the same it doesn’t really affect me or anything I’m glad you have a belief in God
Jesus is clearly talking about the Father. How someone gets Holy Spirit is literally making scripture fit their own idealism.
23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.
24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.
24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
The Trinity is a mystery that our puny human minds can't understand. His oneness summarizes all that the Old Testament says about him, and the threeness summarizes the Gospel of John' s teachings. In fact, that clear teaching of God's Word shows that the Bible has to have been inspired, because no humans could have come up with it. Only God could have revealed that truth about himself.
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One would think there should be no controversy over the idea of the trinity seeing that many ancient cultures had trinity gods before the New Testament days happened.
One of the most common beliefs among Pagan cultures was in a trinity of gods. We find this among the Egyptians, Indians (of India), Japanese, Sumarians, Chaldeans, and of course, the Babylonians, to where historians trace the roots of trinitarism.
It's been an obvious idealism for 5,000 years.
One of the most common beliefs among Pagan cultures was in a trinity of gods. We find this among the Egyptians, Indians (of India), Japanese, Sumarians, Chaldeans, and of course, the Babylonians, to where historians trace the roots of trinitarism.
It's been an obvious idealism for 5,000 years.
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Well, after reading this I might as well pick on you regarding the Trinity. No, I'm just kidding, I'm not going to pick on you but rather explain how the Bible teaches the Trinity. People say, (even here) that a person is "body, soul and spirit" implying that this has something to do with the Trinity of God although it does not prove that God is a Trinity.
Others have said, (even here ) that the Trinity is a mystery! Yes, in the strict sense that it is hidden in God, which can never be known "UNLESS" it is revealed by God. Well, I'm extremely sure that God has revealed His triune nature in the pages of the Bible. How so you ask? First things first, what is the Trinity? The doctrine of the trinity is not an "assumption." It is the normative systematic theology of God in Christianity and is based on the fact that the Bible is EXPLICIT in telling us that there is, was and forever will be only ONE God AND the fact that the Bible "IDENTIFIES" three and only three persons as God.
The Bible identifies God by
1.) His names
2.) His titles
3.) His unique attributes
4.) His unique actions
5.) His worship
I am not aware of any other literary, contextual means by which the Bible clearly identifies God. I could be wrong, but I think this list is comprehensive.
The doctrine of the Trinity cannot be understood, argued or refuted by appealing to any single passage in the Bible. that is because it is a systematic theology in the proper sense of the term "theology"--the study or knowledge of God. It is drawn from the whole Bible, as any valid systematic theology should be. It does not rely on any single verse in the Bible for its representation and similarly, it cannot be refuted by any single verse in the Bible, for example John 17;3. It is a doctrine that explains the nature of the one and only true God described in the Bible, and is necessarily drawn from a harmonization of ALL of scripture and therefore can only be understood from a vies that accounts for ALL the Bible.
Explaining the nature of the one God is the whole point of the doctrine of the Trinity. That is its goal and, at least within the limits of our puny, temporal human minds to comprehend the eternal, that is what it does. And it does so by IDENTIFYING God in MANY different contexts that reveal His UNIQUE attributes usually manifested by His UNIQUE actions.
If you will examine the Bible thoroughly you should be able to quickly discover that there are three and ONLY "persons/not people" who are identified as God by the COMBINATION of the literary mean listed above. These persons are each variously..
1.) Called by the NAMES of God, (YHWH, and its variants either directly or indirectly, usually both. (His Jesus called God! Is the Holy Spirit called God!
2.) Recognized with the TITLES of God (Lord, king, savior, etc.)
3.) ATTRIBUTED with the UNIQUE characteristics of God, (omnipresence, omnipotence, omniscience, eternality, etc)
4.) CREDITED with the UNIQUE actions of God, (creation, origin of God's word, salvation of men.
5.) WORSHIPPED and/or given the honor, reverence and position due to God ALONE. Please note, I am NOT saying that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all consistently, equally and in every mention identified as God in every place they are represented in the Bible by any combination of these 5. Nor am I saying that each person of the Trinity is represented equally by ALL FIVE of these means of identifying God.
I AM saying that
1.) that each person of the Trinity receives some COMBINATION of the 5 means of identifying and distinguish God listed above.
For example, the Bible DOES NOT attribute creation (a UNIQUE act of God alone) to any person other than those to whom it ALSO refers to God. Here's another example. The Bible show ONLY those persons being worshiped who are CALLED "God" at some point AND to whom it assigns the unique attributes of God (such as omnipresence, omniscience or eternality). I think you get the point.
A true understanding (withing human limits) of who God IS essential to a valid relationship with Himself according to His own purpose. No valid, systematic theology can be drawn by reducing or eliminating scriptural evidence. We must account for ALL of God's revelation to come to a realization of who God is and what He has done and therefore what His very nature is. God has revealed Himself to us in different ways at different times as the Biblical revelation unfolded over time according to His eternal purpose.
In closing, and this is vitally important. Theology IS NOT SALVATION. It is in Christ that we find God fully and sufficiently manifested to us human beings, AS a human being and for His own glory. And it is only through His Holy Spirit that we can know Him and be saved by His grace.
IN GOD THE SON
bluto
Others have said, (even here ) that the Trinity is a mystery! Yes, in the strict sense that it is hidden in God, which can never be known "UNLESS" it is revealed by God. Well, I'm extremely sure that God has revealed His triune nature in the pages of the Bible. How so you ask? First things first, what is the Trinity? The doctrine of the trinity is not an "assumption." It is the normative systematic theology of God in Christianity and is based on the fact that the Bible is EXPLICIT in telling us that there is, was and forever will be only ONE God AND the fact that the Bible "IDENTIFIES" three and only three persons as God.
The Bible identifies God by
1.) His names
2.) His titles
3.) His unique attributes
4.) His unique actions
5.) His worship
I am not aware of any other literary, contextual means by which the Bible clearly identifies God. I could be wrong, but I think this list is comprehensive.
The doctrine of the Trinity cannot be understood, argued or refuted by appealing to any single passage in the Bible. that is because it is a systematic theology in the proper sense of the term "theology"--the study or knowledge of God. It is drawn from the whole Bible, as any valid systematic theology should be. It does not rely on any single verse in the Bible for its representation and similarly, it cannot be refuted by any single verse in the Bible, for example John 17;3. It is a doctrine that explains the nature of the one and only true God described in the Bible, and is necessarily drawn from a harmonization of ALL of scripture and therefore can only be understood from a vies that accounts for ALL the Bible.
Explaining the nature of the one God is the whole point of the doctrine of the Trinity. That is its goal and, at least within the limits of our puny, temporal human minds to comprehend the eternal, that is what it does. And it does so by IDENTIFYING God in MANY different contexts that reveal His UNIQUE attributes usually manifested by His UNIQUE actions.
If you will examine the Bible thoroughly you should be able to quickly discover that there are three and ONLY "persons/not people" who are identified as God by the COMBINATION of the literary mean listed above. These persons are each variously..
1.) Called by the NAMES of God, (YHWH, and its variants either directly or indirectly, usually both. (His Jesus called God! Is the Holy Spirit called God!
2.) Recognized with the TITLES of God (Lord, king, savior, etc.)
3.) ATTRIBUTED with the UNIQUE characteristics of God, (omnipresence, omnipotence, omniscience, eternality, etc)
4.) CREDITED with the UNIQUE actions of God, (creation, origin of God's word, salvation of men.
5.) WORSHIPPED and/or given the honor, reverence and position due to God ALONE. Please note, I am NOT saying that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all consistently, equally and in every mention identified as God in every place they are represented in the Bible by any combination of these 5. Nor am I saying that each person of the Trinity is represented equally by ALL FIVE of these means of identifying God.
I AM saying that
1.) that each person of the Trinity receives some COMBINATION of the 5 means of identifying and distinguish God listed above.
For example, the Bible DOES NOT attribute creation (a UNIQUE act of God alone) to any person other than those to whom it ALSO refers to God. Here's another example. The Bible show ONLY those persons being worshiped who are CALLED "God" at some point AND to whom it assigns the unique attributes of God (such as omnipresence, omniscience or eternality). I think you get the point.
A true understanding (withing human limits) of who God IS essential to a valid relationship with Himself according to His own purpose. No valid, systematic theology can be drawn by reducing or eliminating scriptural evidence. We must account for ALL of God's revelation to come to a realization of who God is and what He has done and therefore what His very nature is. God has revealed Himself to us in different ways at different times as the Biblical revelation unfolded over time according to His eternal purpose.
In closing, and this is vitally important. Theology IS NOT SALVATION. It is in Christ that we find God fully and sufficiently manifested to us human beings, AS a human being and for His own glory. And it is only through His Holy Spirit that we can know Him and be saved by His grace.
IN GOD THE SON
bluto
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