How many sins were forgiven by Son on that cross to his Father

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Cameron143 said:
So go back to my example. I know I'm supposed to esteem others better than myself. In the case of my child, I obviously failed and I'm oblivious to it. Unless my child brings it up or God communicates to me my sin, I'll never confess it.
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Yes I agree . Sin requires awareness of conscience that’s part of what sin a violation of our conscience based upon our knowledge and Awereness
 
Pilgrimshope said:
Yes I agree . Sin requires awareness of conscience that’s part of what sin a violation of our conscience based upon our knowledge and Awereness
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Sin is the transgression of the law; not the acknowledgement of having done so.
 
Cameron143 said:
I never said they were made not aware. They are already unaware. For example, you stated in an earlier post that my thinking on a particular topic was delusional. Do you imagine that was loving me the way Jesus loves you?
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I said total depravity is delusional because it is,

What love is there, in saying an unsaved person has total depravity.

And besides this why should you go down the road of you not feeling loved in disagreement.


Or why should you think I'm not loving like Jesus when I talk with you.

Do you think its wise to use love as a means to say your not right and I am ?

Besides all this your not a Calvinist so why argue for weeks that total depravity exists in a person.

Which btw the meaning of total depravity has come from a fake Calvinist and not a real Calvinist.

Should we leave correction out of love.
 
Cameron143 said:
Do you read what I write? I actually say it isn't about only those killed by the tower, but about them also.
The whole reason He tells them is so they will repent. He's telling them so they change their minds about it.
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yes I do read, but obviously your not answering

Why should not loving be seen as a sin only worth pointing out by you, what about the sin your commiting arguing total depravity exists in an unsaved person.
 
Cameron143 said:
That's been obvious from the outset.
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It may have been to you but not to me.

You say that when you talk to people it is on the condition to get to know how they believe, or how they understand, and never on the bases to argue.

Personaly I think this is making excuses for yourself and it's a double standard really.

It may be that your reasoning and approach that which you set of by is the reason why you don't feel loved, because your laying down a set of rules for each discussion you have before you discuss it.
 
Cameron143 said:
This isn't even true on this site.
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A double standard means that when two things are the same they get measured differently by different standards.

Both confession and repentance is measured by God's Judgement.

But then when you say it's only love it's a double standard, as Gods love is in his judgement
 
Nehemiah6 said:
There is a big difference between sins being "paid for" at the cross and sins being "forgiven" at the cross. ALL sins were paid for at the cross, but none were forgiven at the cross.

The ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross made it possible for all sins to be forgiven. But first there must be repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). Repentance is for the remission or forgiveness of sins.
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That is not strictly true ... David was forgiven [Cornelius] before he even recognised his sin when confronted by Nathan.

's all by grace, yes, yes through faith but grace is before everything with God. There have been times when God winked at sin, there have been times when sin was not counted against folk.

With David it is important to note that his sin did not go unpunished ... his life was full of sorrows after Bathsheba.

Repentance is simply to change mind and heart, to turn around.

When we's out preaching when people stop and listen and take interest they are repenting, when people turn their thoughts toward God and consider His claims upon them.
if at that point you throw the word "repent" [and even wuss "repent or be damned"] it just throws them. Rather simply call upon them to BELIEVE and RECIEVE and if at all possible lead them in prayer.

Sorrow for sin often comes after we are saved, sometimes a long time after.
 
Evmur said:
That is not strictly true ... David was forgiven [Cornelius] before he even recognised his sin when confronted by Nathan.

's all by grace, yes, yes through faith but grace is before everything with God. There have been times when God winked at sin, there have been times when sin was not counted against folk.

With David it is important to note that his sin did not go unpunished ... his life was full of sorrows after Bathsheba.

Repentance is simply to change mind and heart, to turn around.

When we's out preaching when people stop and listen and take interest they are repenting, when people turn their thoughts toward God and consider His claims upon them.
if at that point you throw the word "repent" [and even wuss "repent or be damned"] it just throws them. Rather simply call upon them to BELIEVE and RECIEVE and if at all possible lead them in prayer.

Sorrow for sin often comes after we are saved, sometimes a long time after.
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repentance is not simply to change your mind at all,

Repentance comes after you've been told to change your mind
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
I get a very uneasy feeling when someone tells me their sins that have not been committed "yet" are already forgiven. No, they are paid for but not forgiven until you ask for forgiveness when you sin. Of course, this leads to the "false version" [extreme Grace] of the OSAS concept.

To be clear, there's 2 versiosn of OSAS and one is false.
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they are forgiven but may not go unpunished, and if we don't stoppit when God says He may deal ever more severely with us.

... He does this because we are His children. We are and ever will be saved.
 
Evmur said:
they are forgiven but may not go unpunished, and if we don't stoppit when God says He may deal ever more severely with us.

... He does this because we are His children. We are and ever will be saved.
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No buts

No if

No sin Goes unpunished.
 
Pilgrimshope said:
Yeah I mean this doesnt lend to the already forgiven theory

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that term willfully think of it if Ive sinned but won’t admit that I’ve sinned and I’m in the wrong if I refuse to come to repentance over it ……that’s my willfulness showing through

we do still have times we faulter and sin but it’s a huge difference if we won’t acknolwedge it and confess we’re wrong that’s evidence of our corrupt will still if we hate tbat we sinned that’s evidence of Gods Will forming within us
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... "after we have come to a knowledge of the truth" is not "after we have been saved"
all sin is wilful ... the threat here is temporal and physical punishment, even death.
 
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