Predestination is misunderstood...
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Unbelievable! 
It's your unwillingness to hear what is being said that is offensive. I am not ashamed of the Gospel. I have said the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. I have said faith is a gift of God. I have said we are saved by grace through faith. Not good enough for you? You have some need to continue beating people over the head with your understanding and if they don't agree with you fully they must somehow not be saved?
I am not here to conform to your standards of truth, I don't have to answer to you. I have explained in quite a bit of detail how a man is saved by grace through faith. Try listening to what is being said to you. You might find out there is some degree of error in your thinking.
It's your unwillingness to hear what is being said that is offensive. I am not ashamed of the Gospel. I have said the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. I have said faith is a gift of God. I have said we are saved by grace through faith. Not good enough for you? You have some need to continue beating people over the head with your understanding and if they don't agree with you fully they must somehow not be saved?
I am not here to conform to your standards of truth, I don't have to answer to you. I have explained in quite a bit of detail how a man is saved by grace through faith. Try listening to what is being said to you. You might find out there is some degree of error in your thinking.
Do you realise that Scripture warns about those who can mentally affirm truth statements but do not actually have saving faith?
Are you prepared to die for Christ this very minute if challenged to do so?
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Mat 7:24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
Mat 7:25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
Mat 7:26 "But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand:
Mat 7:27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Mat 7:24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
Mat 7:25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
Mat 7:26 "But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand:
Mat 7:27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."
But there is nothing in those verses either to suggest they believed the Gospel. Lot's of people believe Jesus existed or He was a good man or that He was executed by the Romans, none of which leads to salvation.
The Gospel unto salvation is specific as outlined in it's first importance in 1Cor.15:3-4.
1 Cor.15
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
You can believe whatever you want about Jesus but only the Gospel saves.
The Gospel unto salvation is specific as outlined in it's first importance in 1Cor.15:3-4.
1 Cor.15
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
You can believe whatever you want about Jesus but only the Gospel saves.
I read records in Scripture of people spoken of in Heb 11:33-38 and think to myself "I wonder how I would react if I were in a similar situation ... would I be like Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? ... or would I be like Peter (deny with an oath)?
Right now, at this moment, I completely trust God and know that He works within me in my most trying situations, He will never leave my side and will walk through the valleys with me ... yet I know Peter felt the same way about himself (though I should die with thee, yet will I not deny thee) ... so I always keep in mind that my walk in this life is not year by year or day by day, but moment by moment. There is never a moment when my complete trust should not be in God Who watches over me and wants nothing but for me to give Him my whole heart and not hold anything back from Him.
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I appreciate what you have said here and I did not give my reply lightly. I am not so arrogant to think there isn't a point at which I might break but I have faced a number of experiences where I could easily be dead now.
My only thought when faced with death now is "to live is Christ, to die is profit".
My only thought when faced with death now is "to live is Christ, to die is profit".