Did Jesus Have an Advantage over Pre-Fall Adam During the Incarnation?
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“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
John 14:10 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”
John 14:12 KJV
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.”
Acts 2:22-24
when we read of Jesus the man it doesn’t mean he isn’t God . But rather than our God in heaven our creator became flesh and came into the world as one of us subject to God a true man .
“And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.”
John 8:29 KJV
you can see Jesus humanity in places like this see the incredible intense pressure that was on him
“Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye hear, and watch with me.
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.”
Matthew 26:36-39, 42 KJV
“And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.”
Luke 22:43-44 KJV
Jesus in the flesh carried humanity and overcame it perfecting the flesh
This is Jesus
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
Genesis 1:1 KJV
and so is this because he became this to save us
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:”
Acts 2:22 KJV
the same God who created all things became a man, a savior and redeemer then he returned to heaven having created for us a salvation through his great and mighty name
John 14:10 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”
John 14:12 KJV
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.”
Acts 2:22-24
when we read of Jesus the man it doesn’t mean he isn’t God . But rather than our God in heaven our creator became flesh and came into the world as one of us subject to God a true man .
“And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.”
John 8:29 KJV
you can see Jesus humanity in places like this see the incredible intense pressure that was on him
“Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye hear, and watch with me.
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.”
Matthew 26:36-39, 42 KJV
“And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.”
Luke 22:43-44 KJV
Jesus in the flesh carried humanity and overcame it perfecting the flesh
This is Jesus
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
Genesis 1:1 KJV
and so is this because he became this to save us
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:”
Acts 2:22 KJV
the same God who created all things became a man, a savior and redeemer then he returned to heaven having created for us a salvation through his great and mighty name
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i suggest God is never not God 
He humbled Himself, setting aside His glory to take the form of a servant.
the help of man is worthless, says the scripture - therefore Who can save? if He is only man, there is no salvation.
He humbled Himself, setting aside His glory to take the form of a servant.
the help of man is worthless, says the scripture - therefore Who can save? if He is only man, there is no salvation.
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Because we are not talking about who Christ is, we are talking about what Christ did as a man while on Earth in comparison to Adam pre-fall.
It's obvious you don't understand the question therefore I am going to ignore your comments as they are simply not pertinent to the discussion.
Have a nice day.
It's obvious you don't understand the question therefore I am going to ignore your comments as they are simply not pertinent to the discussion.
Have a nice day.
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Because we are not talking about who Christ is, we are talking about what Christ did as a man while on Earth in comparison to Adam pre-fall.
It's obvious you don't understand the question therefore I am going to ignore your comments as they are simply not pertinent to the discussion.
Have a nice day.
It's obvious you don't understand the question therefore I am going to ignore your comments as they are simply not pertinent to the discussion.
Have a nice day.
thats a great way to put it different points of discussion
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“But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)”
Mark 2:10 KJV
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:22-24 KJV
Mark 2:10 KJV
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:22-24 KJV
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Regardless of His incarnation to manhood, Jesus is, was, and always will be the uncreated One, Who is outside of time, and is the Creator of Satan, and has full authority over him and his fallen host.
Adam had none of these advantages. As far as defeating the evil one is concerned.........game set match it's over.
Adam had none of these advantages. As far as defeating the evil one is concerned.........game set match it's over.
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I appreciate Jesus is the One you say but during the Incarnation He laid aside His right to act as God so He could be as a man in all ways like us yet without sin. He would not have been like us in all ways except for sin if He acted on the basis of His Deity.
You need to compare apples with apples.
Romans 5:15
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
You need to compare apples with apples.
Romans 5:15
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
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i contend that if He is God eternally there is no such thing as this "ceasing to functionally be God" notion you suggest.
consider for example you are a bus driver.
you quit your job, your license is revoked, and you cut off your arms and legs so that you cannot possibly drive a bus even if you tried.
are you still a bus driver?
consider for example you are a bus driver.
you quit your job, your license is revoked, and you cut off your arms and legs so that you cannot possibly drive a bus even if you tried.
are you still a bus driver?
Tell that to Moses and the prophets. They performed miracles on the same basis as Jesus, by the power of the Holy Spirit. Who do you think those men were empowered with? Who do you think came upon Jesus?
John 1:32
Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.
John 1:32
Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.
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