Predestination is misunderstood...
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why I'm wondering you say I follow someone.
My feeling is I must be a natural Calvin
Not that I am Calvin just that God spoke to Calvin same way he spoke to me.
But this I only find out now.
Because I read all Calvins beliefs and they same as mine.
What this is looking like here is I'm not one with wool pulled over my eyes
It's looking people or maybe even catholics purposely giving Calvin a bad name.
It maybe they are all unreformed.
Walking in zombie land for superstition
My feeling is I must be a natural Calvin
Not that I am Calvin just that God spoke to Calvin same way he spoke to me.
But this I only find out now.
Because I read all Calvins beliefs and they same as mine.
What this is looking like here is I'm not one with wool pulled over my eyes
It's looking people or maybe even catholics purposely giving Calvin a bad name.
It maybe they are all unreformed.
Walking in zombie land for superstition
Go here and tell them what you just told me...
Its a Calvinist forum.
https://christcentered.community.forum/
Its a Calvinist forum.
https://christcentered.community.forum/
Unbelievable! 
It's your unwillingness to hear what is being said that is offensive. I am not ashamed of the Gospel. I have said the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. I have said faith is a gift of God. I have said we are saved by grace through faith. Not good enough for you? You have some need to continue beating people over the head with your understanding and if they don't agree with you fully they must somehow not be saved?
I am not here to conform to your standards of truth, I don't have to answer to you. I have explained in quite a bit of detail how a man is saved by grace through faith. Try listening to what is being said to you. You might find out there is some degree of error in your thinking.
It's your unwillingness to hear what is being said that is offensive. I am not ashamed of the Gospel. I have said the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. I have said faith is a gift of God. I have said we are saved by grace through faith. Not good enough for you? You have some need to continue beating people over the head with your understanding and if they don't agree with you fully they must somehow not be saved?
I am not here to conform to your standards of truth, I don't have to answer to you. I have explained in quite a bit of detail how a man is saved by grace through faith. Try listening to what is being said to you. You might find out there is some degree of error in your thinking.
(((((Jimbone))))) ... so, so glad you're still with us ... and your 2 sons still have their father with them!!!
Psalm 34:18-19 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.
9-29 is my birthday!!! happy birthday to you!!!
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Psalm 34:18-19 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.
9-29 is my birthday!!! happy birthday to you!!!
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Again God can create something instantaneous he said in the beginning let there be light and there was.
Because it was light from light.
In the beginning he created life from his life and it was
Genesis 1:27-28
New International Version
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
Because it was light from light.
In the beginning he created life from his life and it was
Genesis 1:27-28
New International Version
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
THANK YOU! thank you for answering my question. you didn't dodge it; you told me what you honestly believe, which is all i was hoping for. i would hug you right now if i could.
will you please forgive me for sighing at you? i was frustrated with someone else, and i took it out on you. it was badly done, and i'm truly sorry.
will you please forgive me for sighing at you? i was frustrated with someone else, and i took it out on you. it was badly done, and i'm truly sorry.
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THANK YOU! thank you for answering my question. you didn't dodge it; you told me what you honestly believe, which is all i was hoping for. i would hug you right now if i could.
will you please forgive me for sighing at you? i was frustrated with someone else, and i took it out on you. it was badly done, and i'm truly sorry.
will you please forgive me for sighing at you? i was frustrated with someone else, and i took it out on you. it was badly done, and i'm truly sorry.
It's all good.
grace and peace.
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Yep, went to the alter deceived, yet was following all the instructions I was given by the church leadership to a "T", and then declared saved. Hmmm, Maybe this is my point. Why do you think I share this? To make myself look good? I also wasn't even considering God or Jesus when He actually saved me. So if you think going to the alter unknowingly insincere, then you must real loath me for not even calling His name when He did save me, maybe I'm a 3rd class Christian. Like I said I thought I was saved, I thought I was a Christian, yet when the trial hit the false idea I had of reality as a whole was wrong, and my fake Jesus didn't help. Besides asking about my false conversion and my flaws in approaching Jesus before I knew Him, why not tell me what you think about that next day I was "road to Damascus" converted? Habits, priorities, relationships and EVERYTHING changed overnight, and His power has kept me these last nearly 11 years just as hungry and amazed the deeper He pulls me.
Your very question highlights the problem with a man centered salvation. You asked "So you went to the alter without feeling the conviction of God?", seemingly with arrogance and judgement, but I could be reading that into it admittedly, as if you KNEW before you were born again exactly how this all worked. I wasn't as "good" as you were then. I'm a second class Christian I guess. See the problem with this? No God saved me EXACTLY how He meant to, just as He did everyone He draws to Himself. He gets the glory for it ALL, I don't get any credit for any of it, even if He did bless me with going up to the alter call and doing it all "church house proper", I don't get some kind of credit/merit points for making the right choice. No He showed me very clearly that I had NOTHING at all to do with my salvation, and I will always testify this.
One more thing, if I did read any condescension or arrogance into your short comment that wasn't intended then I apologize. I was framing the response with the whole conversation in mind, I'm not trying to direct anything directly towards you outside of my opinion on the motivation and tone of the comment, but again if I was wrong in my assessment then I apologize.
Your very question highlights the problem with a man centered salvation. You asked "So you went to the alter without feeling the conviction of God?", seemingly with arrogance and judgement, but I could be reading that into it admittedly, as if you KNEW before you were born again exactly how this all worked. I wasn't as "good" as you were then. I'm a second class Christian I guess. See the problem with this? No God saved me EXACTLY how He meant to, just as He did everyone He draws to Himself. He gets the glory for it ALL, I don't get any credit for any of it, even if He did bless me with going up to the alter call and doing it all "church house proper", I don't get some kind of credit/merit points for making the right choice. No He showed me very clearly that I had NOTHING at all to do with my salvation, and I will always testify this.
One more thing, if I did read any condescension or arrogance into your short comment that wasn't intended then I apologize. I was framing the response with the whole conversation in mind, I'm not trying to direct anything directly towards you outside of my opinion on the motivation and tone of the comment, but again if I was wrong in my assessment then I apologize.
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