Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[Thunderrr-mental]

I must have missed something, because I can't see how the TULIP doctrine challenges God's authority.

If Calvin said, Christians should not question God's plan, but rather trust in God's "good intentions". If anything there may be some confusion with the language translation if he used the term "good intensions" as that is not a good translation. A better translation would be "God's righteous decrees"

We can't attribute words like "intensions" to God, because He doesn't have any intensions. Men can have intensions because we never know if we will follow through as many fall away, but with God, He just speaks something into existence and it is done. There is no process or plan to work on a project or anything. He just speaks and it's done.

Its question who God decides to save and when he decides to save them.

It question man being saved only before the fall.

It also questions who gets forgiven

It questions who is elected


Well it doesn't question Charly, it point blank overrides Gods authority's and determines who will and won't even before there born.

Those where not the words of your church father Jean Calvin

 

[Charlie_2024]

Here's your problem, you have God doing both His and Satans job. He creates sinners, and leaves them in sin because that's what He likes to do. How can you hate a child before they are born? There is no where in the Bible that says God hated a person before they were born.

But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

And of some have compassion, making a difference:And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him.

And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”


Here is how a person can know they are in a cult, they talk of judgement, not love. They ignore the mercy of God, and why not, if you believe you are elect and elite in some way. The Word, right above where I posted, says God loves sinners, that He died for them and wishes none would perish. I see you say you were saved in 2021, in fact you were indoctrinated. God is a God of love, of mercy. The Bible says He is a good Father. Whoever indoctrinated you I do not know. But you are yet a babe in Christ with much to learn about who God really is.

Well you keep proving how little you know about Gods Word, but it's obvious you have created your own false doctrine to suit your unbiblical world view. I'm tired of giving your verses which expose your false doctrine and watch you try and twist them by referring to unrelated verses.

It shows you don't justify your false narrative by dealing with the given scripture but you ignore it and cite other unrelated scriptures. Can you see how this look from my perspective, I think you must be in your late teens

Roman 9:11-13

11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Please explain why you falsely claimed that the bible doesn't say that God hates unborn babies.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Well you keep proving how little you know about Gods Word, but it's obvious you have created your own false doctrine to suit your unbiblical world view. I'm tired of giving your verses which expose your false doctrine and watch you try and twist them by referring to unrelated verses.

It shows you don't justify your false narrative by dealing with the given scripture but you ignore it and cite other unrelated scriptures. Can you see how this look from my perspective, I think you must be in your late teens

Roman 9:11-13

11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Please explain why you falsely claimed that the bible doesn't say that God hates unborn babies.

Charly it doesn't say God hated Esau the person

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Well you keep proving how little you know about Gods Word, but it's obvious you have created your own false doctrine to suit your unbiblical world view. I'm tired of giving your verses which expose your false doctrine and watch you try and twist them by referring to unrelated verses.

It shows you don't justify your false narrative by dealing with the given scripture but you ignore it and cite other unrelated scriptures. Can you see how this look from my perspective, I think you must be in your late teens

Roman 9:11-13

11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Please explain why you falsely claimed that the bible doesn't say that God hates unborn babies.

here you go Charly

 

[Charlie_2024]

you don't understand what it means

If he had come to bring peace you wouldn't be here now the world would have been judged 2000 years ago if he came to bring peace

He came to bring a sword to save you first

When he comes back to bring peace the world will be judged

My interpretation tells me the opposite to what your suggesting here.

My bible says that the first time Christ came was to divide the world into two groups, one being Gods children and the other being the Devils children. That's exactly what we see in the world today, there are no fence sitters. You are either a child of God or the Devil.
The sword is used to cut/slash us into two groups.

When He returns the second time He's not coming back to bring peace, but He promised to return as a Man of war to kill billions of people in revenge and judgement. Their rivers of blood will be 7 foot high, so that's one serious bloodbath. It's going to be the slaughter of approximately 7 billion people. That's hardly coming back to bring peace my friend.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Its question who God decides to save and when he decides to save them.

It question man being saved only before the fall.

It also questions who gets forgiven

It questions who is elected


Well it doesn't question Charly, it point blank overrides Gods authority's and determines who will and won't even before there born.

Those where not the words of your church father Jean Calvin

I can only answer those question God has revealed the answers to, but there are a couple which you will need to ask God directly when you get to heaven because we're forbidden to presume upon the Lord.

God told us when he saved every single person who will eve be saved. And that was before He created the world, we don't have a date as time didn't exist back then. As to who God decided to save, we can only know if we are one of His elect.

But he never told us who the others are, so an elect individual can only know if he is and were not told who else is. Their names are in Gods book and we can't look at the list of names.

So God told us that salvation took place before time began, so that makes it before the fall

 

[Charlie_2024]

here you go Charly

That guy doesn't have a clue about the subject. He's completely confused, trying to twist what God clearly said to say something completely different. He's trying to make it sound like God just had a knee jerk temper tantrum

 

[Charlie_2024]

Charly it doesn't say God hated Esau the person

Please enlighten me o great one, I missed the elephant in the room gain. I assume you believe God didn't hate Esau the person, He just hated his looks with his red hair and freckles, is that it Sir.

 

[rogerg]

Seeking out the things God has hidden is like necromancy and witchcraft, God forbids those things for good reason. If He revealed them to us, they would literally blow our minds.

Okay Charlie_2024, thank you for your reply and I'll ponder it further.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Do you seriously believe that Christ died for those He justly casts into Hell?

Let be honest here

Why would not people believe this?

God said he is a God of agape love.. Can a God who creates souls only for the purpose of casting into hell an agape love kind of God?

I hope and pray you would agree with me we could not say this.

If I adopt 6 children, then say I love them all the same. But only bring three of them into my home. and leave three out in the world to fend for themselves. I can;t claim i love all of them.

This is not a hard thing to understand

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I am glad that you see the clear contradiction of those who say that Christ died for every person.

Doctrine is simply the teaching of Scripture, which very plainly declares that it is only those whom God has chosen to be saved that are saved and He uses the foolishness of Gospel preaching which includes this truth as the instrument to grant the repentance and faith to His people which He justly commands from all people to whom the Gospel is to be indiscriminately preached to, and which by the grace of God I have sought to faithfully do for many decades.

Can people be saved through a false Gospel that gives man something in which to boast in (1 Cor 1:26-29)?

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I agree,

God chose who will be saved.

As he told us in John 3. they who look to the cross in faith will be born again (saved) and given Gods promise they ill never die
As he told us in John 6, Whoever sees and BELIEVES.

and not just here but all over the word (gen 15 Abraham as an example)

You see, as jesus said, whoever believes is not condemned, whoever believes is condemned already.

It is faith in God or rejection of God that determines how Gods grace (if) is applied to a person.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

you have created a frustrated god as an idle in your mind because the God of Holy Scripture does whatever He pleases and whatever He pleases, He does (Psalm 115;3, 135:6) and God was pleased to send His own Son to secure the salvation of His people through His perfect life, death and resurrection as confirmed in Scripture and not simply make salvation possible by the choice of men who hate Him and would never choose Him.

If God sincerely desires to save every single person then why did Christ below rejoice at many being blinded to the truth and even thanked His Father for doing so?

Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.

Salvation is of, and belongs to the Lord (Jon 2:9, Psa 3:8) and not the choice of men!

You have created a false god in your mind because the God of theHoly Scripture does whatever he pleases, and whatever he pleases he does.

And he pleased to set aside his godliness, Come to earth as a man. Live a life free of sin in the filth of his own creation. so he could die for that creation. in order that anyone who believed would be born again.

It pleased God that he gave adam free will

It pleases him that he gives us all free will

It sadens him that many many he died for will not repent and come to him, And force him to cast them to outer darkness.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Please enlighten me o great one, I missed the elephant in the room gain. I assume you believe God didn't hate Esau the person, He just hated his looks with his red hair and freckles, is that it Sir.

Charly don't do what all these other people who call themselves Calvinists do and deprave me or wont answer to the truth.


Where did it say God hated Esau the person .

What promise did the Lord end up giving to the Edomites the descendants of Esau

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

you make salvation conditional upon the choice of man and not the grace of God which was given to His people before time began (2 Tim 1:9) and not those He justly casts into Hell.

You would do well to ponder your handle.

lol

For it is by GRACE we have been saved. Thats a fact. all those who are saved are saved BY GRACE

However. we need to complete the sentence. "BY FAITH"

God is not going to force you to receive his grace. His desire is for you to desire and freely receive his gift of eternal life.

But as many as have received him to THEM he gave the right or power to become Gods children.

You keep skipping the part that matters..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

He did, the Bible says He did. Anything else is a flat out lie.



God doesn't choose who will and will not be saved. Anyone who believes that believes a false Gospel. Stop teaching it to others for the love of GOD!

He boasts in the fact God chose him,

then asks if God can save a person based on something they can boast in..lol

I have yet to meet a person or see a person who has ever boasted in saving themselves when they had to be rescued by another person, because they were in a hopless situation totally unable to save themselves.

They boast in the ones who saved them..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

you better rebuke the Apostle Paul then,

2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,

Here are some other verses for you to ponder.

41 Bible Verses about election, to salvation

This is true

But the word also said THEY chose to receive him in faith.. and that why they were chosen.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Did Jesus Christ suffer/die on the cross for unbelief of those people past/present/future in hell?

no one is hell yet.

and yes, Jesus died for them, Like the serpent God had moses lift up. Anyone could have looked in faith and lived, it was not just for the chosen, it was for all. In the same Token, JESUS died for all. anyone can be saved, But that have to give up their pride. and trust God.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

My Bibles says in,

Matthew 10:34-35
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’;

so lets bring the two words of Jesus together.

and answer WHY matthew ten will be fulfilled..

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I can only answer those question God has revealed the answers to, but there are a couple which you will need to ask God directly when you get to heaven because we're forbidden to presume upon the Lord.

God told us when he saved every single person who will eve be saved. And that was before He created the world, we don't have a date as time didn't exist back then. As to who God decided to save, we can only know if we are one of His elect.

But he never told us who the others are, so an elect individual can only know if he is and were not told who else is. Their names are in Gods book and we can't look at the list of names.

So God told us that salvation took place before time began, so that makes it before the fall

when the lord says who there lord sets free will be free in deed who does he mean Charly

You can answer your not questioning his authority here Charly your speaking the truth

Where is Jesus in this scripture Charly


Ezekiel 18
But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I believe sound doctrine because God tells me to.

Satan comes as an angel of light. Just saying.

Stop listening to voices