Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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I agree, and neither did I. Instead, I wanted only to discuss biblical verses and their meaning.
But now that you mention it, and you have to admit, it is kind of interesting that you, on your own, associate biblical verses to TULIP. Could it be that you've happened to find biblical truth in it without even realizing it? You never know, you just might end-up a spokesperson for Calvinism - so keep up the good work.
But now that you mention it, and you have to admit, it is kind of interesting that you, on your own, associate biblical verses to TULIP. Could it be that you've happened to find biblical truth in it without even realizing it? You never know, you just might end-up a spokesperson for Calvinism - so keep up the good work.
. Its bit difficult for to understand your meaning here.
I see that Adam was spiritualy alive before the fall, and I see people need to be made spiritualy alive again, after fall
So the only difference is that that Jesus prevents you from falling again, but the same spiral life is the same life that God gave which was spiritualy alive before the fall.
They fell not believing God's words when they where spiritualy alive before the fall,
So if unbelief is a sin not forgiven then why bother to save man again.
Makes no sense
I see that Adam was spiritualy alive before the fall, and I see people need to be made spiritualy alive again, after fall
So the only difference is that that Jesus prevents you from falling again, but the same spiral life is the same life that God gave which was spiritualy alive before the fall.
They fell not believing God's words when they where spiritualy alive before the fall,
So if unbelief is a sin not forgiven then why bother to save man again.
Makes no sense
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I have nothing to say, but thank you for your time and discussion of this topic. I have no doubt that you love Jesus. we see this topic differently, but you never suggested that I was unsaved because we have a difference in understanding unlike some others here.
Thank you! God bless you.
I have nothing to say, but thank you for your time and discussion of this topic. I have no doubt that you love Jesus. we see this topic differently, but you never suggested that I was unsaved because we have a difference in understanding unlike some others here.
Thank you! God bless you.
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Jesus did not come into the world to unite people, as you falsely claim. The opposite is true, He came to divide the world into two groups. He came to receive His Bride, the Elect Saints of God and to condemn the Devils children. Nobody is neutral in this, you can only be on one side.
Also you can't be neutral regarding the gospel interpretation, you can only embrace Calvinism or Arminianism. I have been begging for someone to offer a third option so I can escape these "cults" but so far nobody has found an escape, they just give me lies and false hope.
Also you can't be neutral regarding the gospel interpretation, you can only embrace Calvinism or Arminianism. I have been begging for someone to offer a third option so I can escape these "cults" but so far nobody has found an escape, they just give me lies and false hope.
I have stated that I only believe what God said, and I reject private interpretations as they are an abomination in Gods sight. God actually promised to cast all those who add or takes away from His Word, into the lake of fire.
i really can't fathom why so many think God was joking when He gave that warning. It's actually blasphemy, as it accuses God of being a liar.
We are all born enemies of God and we sink deeper and deeper into depravity as we age, and if God doesn't intervene and do the work of salvation in our lives, then we remain under His wrath and condemnation until we are cast into hell.
Your Arminian gospel, removes God from His throne and you set yourself in His place and claim to be the master of your destiny. That's simply not what my Bible teaches, it teaches the exact opposite where God is sovereign over the whole of His creation and every aspect of their lives.
This includes salvation, as a totally depraved sinner cannot turn from his sin, repent and obey the gospel.
i really can't fathom why so many think God was joking when He gave that warning. It's actually blasphemy, as it accuses God of being a liar.
We are all born enemies of God and we sink deeper and deeper into depravity as we age, and if God doesn't intervene and do the work of salvation in our lives, then we remain under His wrath and condemnation until we are cast into hell.
Your Arminian gospel, removes God from His throne and you set yourself in His place and claim to be the master of your destiny. That's simply not what my Bible teaches, it teaches the exact opposite where God is sovereign over the whole of His creation and every aspect of their lives.
This includes salvation, as a totally depraved sinner cannot turn from his sin, repent and obey the gospel.
None of that is in my Bible, you invented it because you don't like what the bible actually teaches about those things.
God leaves the vast majority in their condemned sate, He said "very few as are saved"
The rich young ruler was not an Elect Saint of God, that's why he rejected God and chose to serve Satan. God said, you are the children of the Devi and you do His works"
The prodigal son was an Elect Saint of God that's why he repented, but the lesson there was about his brother who was not an Elect Saint, so he was cast into hell because he exposed his Arminian theology by relying on Arminius's works based salvation which leads every single believer of that false gospel to hell.
God leaves the vast majority in their condemned sate, He said "very few as are saved"
The rich young ruler was not an Elect Saint of God, that's why he rejected God and chose to serve Satan. God said, you are the children of the Devi and you do His works"
The prodigal son was an Elect Saint of God that's why he repented, but the lesson there was about his brother who was not an Elect Saint, so he was cast into hell because he exposed his Arminian theology by relying on Arminius's works based salvation which leads every single believer of that false gospel to hell.
There's no place for the reprobate in our Church, we only accept genuine Elect Saints of God. You're welcome to take the reprobate into your Church, but don't expect my Church to accept them.
Your gospel view is an abomination to me, it's contrary to what my bible teaches. So I can't have any fellowship with people like you
Your gospel view is an abomination to me, it's contrary to what my bible teaches. So I can't have any fellowship with people like you
There's no place for the reprobate in our Church, we only accept genuine Elect Saints of God. You're welcome to take the reprobate into your Church, but don't expect my Church to accept them.
Your gospel view is an abomination to me, it's contrary to what my bible teaches. So I can't have any fellowship with people like you
Now your showing your ignorance as plain as day. The Word was given in a way that only the Elect understand, it's foolishness to the non elect. The non elect think they understand it, but God said "there is a way that seems right to men, but the end there of is death".
The true gospel is the stench of death to the un elect, they hate it with every fiber in their body. So I'm not surprised to find so many expressing hatred towards the true gospel.
Your gospel view is an abomination to me, it's contrary to what my bible teaches. So I can't have any fellowship with people like you
Now your showing your ignorance as plain as day. The Word was given in a way that only the Elect understand, it's foolishness to the non elect. The non elect think they understand it, but God said "there is a way that seems right to men, but the end there of is death".
The true gospel is the stench of death to the un elect, they hate it with every fiber in their body. So I'm not surprised to find so many expressing hatred towards the true gospel.
one of the punishments of God is to send a person into exile.
Would you agree thats not death.
There's also another sin where the lord says if a brother bears false witness against a brother or a sister you are to purge the evils from them.
Tell me have you been worthy of any of these punishments since you've been here
Would you agree thats not death.
There's also another sin where the lord says if a brother bears false witness against a brother or a sister you are to purge the evils from them.
Tell me have you been worthy of any of these punishments since you've been here
Well, pardon us all to pieces! No spiritual pride there at all. 
Judge not, lest you be judged. No one died and made you God.
Judge not, lest you be judged. No one died and made you God.
it a shame you don't see your lord being deserving to many other people here.
One thing I will say is calvinism states unconditional election is also for the unbeliever to be unconditional when surrendering to God's will.
How come you don't mention that.
But you know what Charlie.
I can't see you being here much longer.
One thing I will say is calvinism states unconditional election is also for the unbeliever to be unconditional when surrendering to God's will.
How come you don't mention that.
But you know what Charlie.
I can't see you being here much longer.