Predestination is misunderstood...
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Evidently the tulip doctrine depraves the depraved.
It's says Here God found no suitable helpers in the animals for Adam until after he tried it.
The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
So God made the animals to be helpers for Adam
Then the lord said
But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
So all this was before the fall.
After the fall the lord says
I now know through my choice what you need before you need it.
He said this when you pray I know what you need before you need.
It's says Here God found no suitable helpers in the animals for Adam until after he tried it.
The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
So God made the animals to be helpers for Adam
Then the lord said
But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
So all this was before the fall.
After the fall the lord says
I now know through my choice what you need before you need it.
He said this when you pray I know what you need before you need.
2 Thessalonians 3:6, 14, 15
Is that why even Satan quoted Scripture to make his point, to the one who does knows all Scripture, as seen in Matthew 4?
If they do not know their Bible?
And you want to make a point that is Scriptural?
Its your duty to inform them of what they have yet to know....
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Is that why even Satan quoted Scripture to make his point, to the one who does knows all Scripture, as seen in Matthew 4?
If they do not know their Bible?
And you want to make a point that is Scriptural?
Its your duty to inform them of what they have yet to know....
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They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
Don't worry friend the tulip doctrine does this
The tulip doctrines gets you to reject scripture so that you can be depraved further, it's of the devil
Basically it was a doctrine designed to deprave the depraved and to deprave people
So basically the goal is to deprave you so you reject Scripture.
It's a doctrine created out of an act of vengeance.
Designed to deprave people,.because who ever created it no doubt felt depraved or had been depraved by somebody.
So the tulip doctrine was given to someone by the devil whilst that person was in a state of vengeance
The tulip doctrines gets you to reject scripture so that you can be depraved further, it's of the devil
Basically it was a doctrine designed to deprave the depraved and to deprave people
So basically the goal is to deprave you so you reject Scripture.
It's a doctrine created out of an act of vengeance.
Designed to deprave people,.because who ever created it no doubt felt depraved or had been depraved by somebody.
So the tulip doctrine was given to someone by the devil whilst that person was in a state of vengeance
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John chapter 10 is about the PARABLE of the SHEEP:
What did Jesus say about the Jews and His PARABLES?
14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:
“‘“You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
15 For this people's heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’
It fulfills Isaiah
9 And He said: 'Go, and tell this people: hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they, seeing with their eyes, and hearing with their ears, and understanding with their heart, return, and be healed.'
Paul explains it this way
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”
The Jews could not understand because what God did to them.
It had NOTHING to do with Jesus not dying for them because He did!
What did Jesus say about the Jews and His PARABLES?
14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:
“‘“You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
15 For this people's heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’
It fulfills Isaiah
9 And He said: 'Go, and tell this people: hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they, seeing with their eyes, and hearing with their ears, and understanding with their heart, return, and be healed.'
Paul explains it this way
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”
The Jews could not understand because what God did to them.
It had NOTHING to do with Jesus not dying for them because He did!
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Thats brilliant friend.
Just keep your focus on one intension when speaking to people holding to the tulip doctrine
Always look for where there trying to deprave you
Then see it for what it is.
But don't retaliate, just say this is depraving they'll soon get the message.
Calvinism is designed to deprave people.
Or you can go into the scripture where man was not totally depraved
Basically people holding to the tulip doctrine also don't know they've been depraved by a doctrine of a devil.
Tulip starts of with total depravity on the letter t
And carries that theme all the way though.
Just keep your focus on one intension when speaking to people holding to the tulip doctrine
Always look for where there trying to deprave you
Then see it for what it is.
But don't retaliate, just say this is depraving they'll soon get the message.
Calvinism is designed to deprave people.
Or you can go into the scripture where man was not totally depraved
Basically people holding to the tulip doctrine also don't know they've been depraved by a doctrine of a devil.
Tulip starts of with total depravity on the letter t
And carries that theme all the way though.
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When you purchased your two houses, you gave the down payment and more than likely you moved into at least one, if not both, of the houses at closing. When escrow closed and you moved in, did you not guarantee that full payment would be made at the end of the term?
My husband and I put a down payment on some property and moved in. When we sold the property, the existing loan was paid off in full. Then we put a down payment on another property, moved in, and I am still paying on that.
In Ephesians 1:13, we are told that at the time we believed the gospel of salvation, we were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance.
The Holy Spirit within the believer is the earnest ... the guarantee that the full inheritance will be forthcoming.
Seems to me, the Holy Spirit "moved in" so to speak and He is the "earnest" ... the down payment which guarantees the full inheritance will be received at the time of the redemption of the purchased possession.
We are the purchased possession. God paid for us with His Own Son. The Lord Jesus Christ bought us and we are owned by Him.
There was no "seller". The whole human race was taken captive, held for ransom, and the full ransom has been paid.
Once we are born again and we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. The seal represents ownership. The born again ones belong to God. We are His possession. Do you really believe the adversary can break the seal and snatch us out of the Hand of God?
fully agree … and I believe God is much better at holding me to Him than I am at holding to Him.
And I'm not saying I can just go out and sin up a storm. I'm just saying that there are promises in Scripture which indicate to me that God will do what He promises.
As an example, here's a promise I hold to
Jude 1:24-25 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Have you ever heard the song Just Be Held by Casting Crowns? It's a great song ...
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My husband and I put a down payment on some property and moved in. When we sold the property, the existing loan was paid off in full. Then we put a down payment on another property, moved in, and I am still paying on that.
In Ephesians 1:13, we are told that at the time we believed the gospel of salvation, we were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance.
The Holy Spirit within the believer is the earnest ... the guarantee that the full inheritance will be forthcoming.
Seems to me, the Holy Spirit "moved in" so to speak and He is the "earnest" ... the down payment which guarantees the full inheritance will be received at the time of the redemption of the purchased possession.
We are the purchased possession. God paid for us with His Own Son. The Lord Jesus Christ bought us and we are owned by Him.
There was no "seller". The whole human race was taken captive, held for ransom, and the full ransom has been paid.
Once we are born again and we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. The seal represents ownership. The born again ones belong to God. We are His possession. Do you really believe the adversary can break the seal and snatch us out of the Hand of God?
fully agree … and I believe God is much better at holding me to Him than I am at holding to Him.
And I'm not saying I can just go out and sin up a storm. I'm just saying that there are promises in Scripture which indicate to me that God will do what He promises.
As an example, here's a promise I hold to
Jude 1:24-25 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Have you ever heard the song Just Be Held by Casting Crowns? It's a great song ...
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