Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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Rufus

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I do!
They will be coming here in next couple days now.
It was arranged yesterday for them.
From what I've been reading, it appears Israel's defenses performed virtually flawlessly. (Praise God!) Now the ball is in Netanyahu's court. We should pray that God bestows wisdom upon this man.
 

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When a married couple in a church have a baby and the married couple keep attending church that baby is also attending church. It won't be old enough to understand for another 4 to 5 years but they're in church hearing about God. And when they're old enough to understand, they only know about Jesus because they have not been old enough to learn anything else. And they naturally accept Jesus because it is all they know. Happens in every church or synagogue in the world.
But there are many godly couples who don't experience that with their child or all their children in multi-sibling households. Even if God blessed you abundantly by saving you at a very early age, you still needed saving. If it weren't for the grace of God, your upbringing could have been very different. After all, did God consult with you in eternity to find out what kind of parents wanted? Or what kind of religious upbringing you wanted?
 

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From what I've been reading, it appears Israel's defenses performed virtually flawlessly. (Praise God!) Now the ball is in Netanyahu's court. We should pray that God bestows wisdom upon this man.
The issue is that everyone knows it has been Iran backing these rebel groups who have been fighting Israel for several years now. But this time the attack actually came from the Nation of Iran. This is new. Iran and Russia (Gog/Magog) are allies. There's a reason the literal Nation of Iran attacked Israel.

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7 The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites; Moab, and the Hagrites;
8 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;
9 Assyria also is joined with them


I will take these Nations mentioned and show you their modern day names.

Edom = Edom
Ishmaelites = Northern parts of Egypt
Moab = Moab
Gebal = is Phoenicia
Ammon = Ammon
Amalek = is North on map not showing
Philistia = Philistia [is modern day GAZA STRTIP]
Tyre = is North on map not showing
Assyria = Aram [IRAN]

These are the Nations that surround Israel
These are the Nations that fought when Israel tried to become a Nation, when Jerusalem was reassigned capitol of Israel, and they are once again all forming an alliance towards Israel.

But this time is different than before. Because even [Allies] of Israel are telling Israel not to do this and that. So all of the Nations are slowly turning against Israel.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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But there are many godly couples who don't experience that with their child or all their children in multi-sibling households. Even if God blessed you abundantly by saving you at a very early age, you still needed saving. If it weren't for the grace of God, your upbringing could have been very different. After all, did God consult with you in eternity to find out what kind of parents wanted? Or what kind of religious upbringing you wanted?
I agree to that. But I was originally only speaking about my own family and then laid out a comparison that does happen in several families to this day.
 

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The issue is that everyone knows it has been Iran backing these rebel groups who have been fighting Israel for several years now. But this time the attack actually came from the Nation of Iran. This is new. Iran and Russia (Gog/Magog) are allies. There's a reason the literal Nation of Iran attacked Israel.

I wish to show you something



7 The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites; Moab, and the Hagrites;
8 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;
9 Assyria also is joined with them


I will take these Nations mentioned and show you their modern day names.

Edom = Edom
Ishmaelites = Northern parts of Egypt
Moab = Moab
Gebal = is Phoenicia
Ammon = Ammon
Amalek = is North on map not showing
Philistia = Philistia [is modern day GAZA STRTIP]
Tyre = is North on map not showing
Assyria = Aram [IRAN]

These are the Nations that surround Israel
These are the Nations that fought when Israel tried to become a Nation, when Jerusalem was reassigned capitol of Israel, and they are once again all forming an alliance towards Israel.

But this time is different than before. Because even [Allies] of Israel are telling Israel not to do this and that. So all of the Nations are slowly turning against Israel.
 

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The issue is that everyone knows it has been Iran backing these rebel groups who have been fighting Israel for several years now. But this time the attack actually came from the Nation of Iran. This is new. Iran and Russia (Gog/Magog) are allies. There's a reason the literal Nation of Iran attacked Israel.
Yes! To me, this is extremely significant. However, we’re still awaiting the AC to show up first, right?
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Things seem to be wrapping up, huh?
These are the days that we have hoped for. I read about the Disciples of Jesus saying we always hoped we would see Messiah and they did. My whole life I heard I hope the End is in my lifetime and it appears here we are. Makes me excited for sure. But I know Revival is coming and many left to still be saved. And I know some of us will see difficult times. So there's a lot of work still to do while at the same time it is almost over and that is great wonderful news.
 

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These are the days that we have hoped for. I read about the Disciples of Jesus saying we always hoped we would see Messiah and they did. My whole life I heard I hope the End is in my lifetime and it appears here we are. Makes me excited for sure. But I know Revival is coming and many left to still be saved. And I know some of us will see difficult times. So there's a lot of work still to do while at the same time it is almost over and that is great wonderful news.
Our Father will make sure that everyone who is supposed to be saved is saved before Jesus returns as the King of kings and Lord of lords! The Elect will be used mightily in these latter days. IMG_5750.gif
 

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Our Father will make sure that everyone who is supposed to be saved is saved before Jesus returns as the King of kings and Lord of lords! The Elect will be used mightily in these latter days. View attachment 262769
Unlike us, He "knows" who will be saved. We just need to approach everyone like they will be willing to accept the Lord.
 

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The issue is that everyone knows it has been Iran backing these rebel groups who have been fighting Israel for several years now. But this time the attack actually came from the Nation of Iran. This is new. Iran and Russia (Gog/Magog) are allies. There's a reason the literal Nation of Iran attacked Israel.


I wish to show you something....

These are the Nations that surround Israel

These are the Nations that fought when Israel tried to become a Nation, when Jerusalem was reassigned capitol of Israel, and they are once again all forming an alliance towards Israel.


But this time is different than before. Because even [Allies] of Israel are telling Israel not to do this and that. So all of the Nations are slowly turning against Israel
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Hah...I agree. And that is largely due to Obama's legacy! You remember: The guy who talked about "my Muslim faith"? At the end of this post I will embed a link to a lengthy article that gives a history lesson PLUS about Obama's Mideast policy. It's a long, in-depth read but well worth it.

What I find curious about Iran's "retaliatory" attack is the timing. "Timing is everything", isn't it? (Even Solomon thought so. "There's a time for everything under the sun."). So, here we are about 7 months out from the election and Iran pull a new trick out of its hat, as you rightly noted. And even though Iran's missile barrages left Israel virtually unscathed, Iran still did a victory lap of sorts, boasting they taught Israel a lesson. :rolleyes: But Iran isn't stupid, especially with all the intelligence they get from their allies about Israel. Iran had to know that Israel's defenses would be more than up to the task of fending off the attack. So...the big $64. question is: Why bother with the attack in the first place? Iran just blew billions of dollars up for no reason. Or...so it seems. Maybe they didn't. Maybe Israel got played and got suckered into this foray because there are much larger stakes up for play.

During the attack did you notice how Biden openly supported Israel? But now afterwards, Biden is already issuing warnings to Israel to back off! Don't retaliate! Why? Well, according to Biden, because Israel suffered so few casualties and so little damage. So...Israel should just cool its jets, otherwise the U.S. won't be there to help them any longer. My, my...such loyal allies and friends. :rolleyes:

And since everything I'm reading about the upcoming election points to another rigged outcome, this would mean another 4 years with liberals (Obama & Co.) calling the shots in the WH, which does not bode well for Israel -- or the U.S. for that matter. Here's the link:

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/
 

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(map cut to save space)

Hah...I agree. And that is largely due to Obama's legacy! You remember: The guy who talked about "my Muslim faith"? At the end of this post I will embed a link to a lengthy article that gives a history lesson PLUS about Obama's Mideast policy. It's a long, in-depth read but well worth it.

What I find curious about Iran's "retaliatory" attack is the timing. "Timing is everything", isn't it? (Even Solomon thought so. "There's a time for everything under the sun."). So, here we are about 7 months out from the election and Iran pull a new trick out of its hat, as you rightly noted. And even though Iran's missile barrages left Israel virtually unscathed, Iran still did a victory lap of sorts, boasting they taught Israel a lesson. :rolleyes: But Iran isn't stupid, especially with all the intelligence they get from their allies about Israel. Iran had to know that Israel's defenses would be more than up to the task of fending off the attack. So...the big $64. question is: Why bother with the attack in the first place? Iran just blew billions of dollars up for no reason. Or...so it seems. Maybe they didn't. Maybe Israel got played and got suckered into this foray because there are much larger stakes up for play.

During the attack did you notice how Biden openly supported Israel? But now afterwards, Biden is already issuing warnings to Israel to back off! Don't retaliate! Why? Well, according to Biden, because Israel suffered so few casualties and so little damage. So...Israel should just cool its jets, otherwise the U.S. won't be there to help them any longer. My, my...such loyal allies and friends. :rolleyes:

And since everything I'm reading about the upcoming election points to another rigged outcome, this would mean another 4 years with liberals (Obama & Co.) calling the shots in the WH, which does not bode well for Israel -- or the U.S. for that matter. Here's the link:

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/
This took place a week ago.
The Muslims hate Joe Biden, which is why Biden is trying to keep Israel from retaliating.

This took place exactly 1 week ago in the State of Michigan [they were saying DEATH to America and Israel]

Tarek Bazzi, a Michigan-based activist linked to the Hadi Institute, emphasized at the rally, “Imam Khomeini, who declared the International Al-Quds Day, this is why he would say to pour all of your chants and all of your shouts upon the head of America.” This statement was highlighted in a video from the event distributed by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).

Bazzi further invoked Malcolm X, quoting him as saying the U.S. is “one of the rottenest countries that has ever existed on this Earth,” as part of his argument for dismantling the entire American “system.”

Bazzi, referring to President Biden as “Genocide Joe,” stated, “It’s not just Genocide Joe that has to go. It is the entire system that has to go. Any system that would allow such atrocities and such devilry to happen, and would support it – such a system does not deserve to exist on God’s Earth.”

Bazzi shifted focus to Israel, advising the audience on how to respond when “fools” question “if Israel has the right to exist,” by stating that the chant “Death to Israel” is “the most logical chant shouted across the world today.”
 

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It’s too bad that many will be deceived by the AC—but the Elect won’t be!
24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

There will be some ELECT who get deceived.

Especially those who think God is Sovereign for being a murderer and only died for the Elect and no one else.
 

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24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

There will be some ELECT who get deceived.

Especially those who think God is Sovereign for being a murderer and only died for the Elect and no one else.
No there won't. Not possible! See Mat 24:24; Mk 13:22; Phil 1:6, Jude 24, etc.

Was a God a murderer when he ordered Israel to drive out his enemies, the non-elect nations from the land he promised to Abraham?
 

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24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

There will be some ELECT who get deceived.

Especially those who think God is Sovereign for being a murderer and only died for the Elect and no one else.
Then you must not really understand very well the election, and especially how they will be used by God in these latter days..…”if possible” means they won’t be deceived. Some of the elect will actually be delivered up to Satan’s courts to testify. But guess what? It will be the Holy Spirit who will be speaking through them.

"But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

- Mark 13:11
 

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Look here in the prophetic book of Jeremiah: Here we see the Elect being complimented by God.

Everyone is dull-hearted, without knowledge; Every metalsmith is put to shame by the carved image; For his molded image is falsehood, And there is no breath in them. They are futile, a work of errors; In the time of their punishment they shall perish. The Portion of Jacob is not like them, For He is the Maker of all things; And Israel is the tribe of His inheritance. The LORD of hosts is His name. "You are My battle-ax and weapons of war: For with you I will break the nation in pieces; With you I will destroy kingdoms; With you I will break in pieces the horse and its rider; With you I will break in pieces the chariot and its rider; With you also I will break in pieces man and woman; With you I will break in pieces old and young; With you I will break in pieces the young man and the maiden; With you also I will break in pieces the shepherd and his flock; With you I will break in pieces the farmer and his yoke of oxen; And with you I will break in pieces governors and rulers. "And I will repay Babylon And all the inhabitants of Chaldea For all the evil they have done In Zion in your sight," says the LORD.

- Jeremiah 51:17-24
 

selahsays

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Look here in 2 Timothy: Can you see the Elect in this passage?

Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles. For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.

- 2 Timothy 1:6-12