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the ministry of your shepherd should be to point you to the Shepherd. if you are following your shepherd, you're following a man. Following men is what causes division in the body of Christ ... read 1 Corinthians chapters 1 through 3.
Following the Lord Jesus Christ results in unity where each believer who follows Him has fellowship other believers who follow Him ... and all should realize we're all at different stages in our walks in the Lord.
The Lord Jesus Christ, as Head of His body, the church, which is comprised of all born again believers ... He has given gifts to the church ... apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. The purpose of the gift ministries is ...
Ephesians 4:
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
I pray your shepherd is faithful to his calling ...
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Following the Lord Jesus Christ results in unity where each believer who follows Him has fellowship other believers who follow Him ... and all should realize we're all at different stages in our walks in the Lord.
The Lord Jesus Christ, as Head of His body, the church, which is comprised of all born again believers ... He has given gifts to the church ... apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. The purpose of the gift ministries is ...
Ephesians 4:
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
I pray your shepherd is faithful to his calling ...
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It's obvious you're a sheep and not a shepherd, so you must follow your shepherd and please don't give me this "I follow Jesus nonsense" Jesus is in heaven, He hasn't spoken a word to any man for 2000 years. So how can He possibly be your shepherd, when you're an earthbound man and He is in another universe.
And how can a sheep be sure that his earthly shepherd is not a wolf in sheep's clothing. So there's a lot of issues with your advice. The biggest problem I see with your opinion here is, you stated that "following men causes division in the body of Christ" .
The problem with that statement is, you failed to consider that we have no choice other than to follow men. We all need a shepherd to teach us sheep about God, so we don't end up with 2 billion conflicting interpretations.
My Minister said, if we give the bible to 10 sheep to study, they would give us 10 conflicting views on what the Bible teaches. So that's why God appointed Shepherds to lead and teach us Sheep. If a Sheep leaves the safety of the Shepherd and the flock, it will quickly fall prey to a hungry lion.
Nothing more foolish than a rouge sheep in a jungle full of hungry lions, yet so many sheep boast about how smart they are saying we don't need a shepherd. I show them how smart I am.
Jeremiah 3:15
And I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
James 3:1
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.
Acts 20:28
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Titus 1:7
For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain,
There are many other passages of scripture which instruct us obey and respect our Shepherds. Don't worry about finding faults in your God appointed Shepherd, he will be held responsible for any faults and you will be forgiven.
You would gain more respect from me if you would back up your thoughts with scripture, otherwise, they are just your thoughts.
But when the natural man, before he has been born again will not admit that it was created by a spiritual God. He thinks it was by evolution, or the big bang theory.
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This is why tulip is wrong
Have a read
Genesis 2
But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
If you read this it says Before the fall of man. God did not know the animals would be a suitable helper untill he tried it out first. This is because man was not outside of time then and was saved before the fall so there was no need to know what man would do next.
Now after the fall God knew what man would do next because he then decided to save people. Because before the fall man was saved, this is because after the fall God put man outside of time to know what he would do next. To help him in a fallen state.
Because God said man shall not live alone.
As God says this after the fall. before you pray I know what you need before you ask.
Well read the above passage again
God did not know before the fall that animals would be a suitable helper until he tried it.
This proves that fatalism doesn't exist.
Because calvinism promotes fatalism.
And it proves God decided who to save after the fall.
Because before the fall man was saved.
Once again God is all knowing
God is all knowing
God is all knowing
God is all knowing
Not man not man not man
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Have a read
Genesis 2
But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
If you read this it says Before the fall of man. God did not know the animals would be a suitable helper untill he tried it out first. This is because man was not outside of time then and was saved before the fall so there was no need to know what man would do next.
Now after the fall God knew what man would do next because he then decided to save people. Because before the fall man was saved, this is because after the fall God put man outside of time to know what he would do next. To help him in a fallen state.
Because God said man shall not live alone.
As God says this after the fall. before you pray I know what you need before you ask.
Well read the above passage again
God did not know before the fall that animals would be a suitable helper until he tried it.
This proves that fatalism doesn't exist.
Because calvinism promotes fatalism.
And it proves God decided who to save after the fall.
Because before the fall man was saved.
Once again God is all knowing
God is all knowing
God is all knowing
God is all knowing
Not man not man not man
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My whip may as well be a feather duster, it doesn't hurt at all. But I warn folks about the God who's wrath abides on unrepentant sinners and those who do damage to His Word by adding to it or taking away from it.
My whip is a walk in the park compared to God's chastening. Sometimes He afflicts the rebellious Christians with harsh providences. Everyone's faith will be tested with fire, which will remove the dross and refine us to be like pure gold.
But the fire will leave those who don't bare good fruit with nothing, and they will cast into the outer darkness and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, in that place.
My whip is a walk in the park compared to God's chastening. Sometimes He afflicts the rebellious Christians with harsh providences. Everyone's faith will be tested with fire, which will remove the dross and refine us to be like pure gold.
But the fire will leave those who don't bare good fruit with nothing, and they will cast into the outer darkness and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, in that place.
OK. so by your own admission you do not have the mind of Christ, and you think that because you don't, no one else does either. Generalising your experience to everyone else is the hasty generalisation fallacy.
https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/h...zation fallacy work,members is a logical leap.
How does hasty generalization fallacy work. An argument based on a hasty generalization moves from particular statements to a general statement. However, inferring a conclusion about an entire class of things from inadequate knowledge about some of its members is a logical leap.
https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/h...zation fallacy work,members is a logical leap.
How does hasty generalization fallacy work. An argument based on a hasty generalization moves from particular statements to a general statement. However, inferring a conclusion about an entire class of things from inadequate knowledge about some of its members is a logical leap.
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Zeph 3, She obeyed not the voice, she received not correction, she trusted not in the Lord, she drew not near to her God.
Verse 12-13, I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord, The remnant of Israel shall do no iniquity, nor speak lies, neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth, for they shall feed and lay down, and none shall make them afraid.
Yes I have great relations with everyone in my Church and with several sister Churches and the number of brethren I fellowship with in real life is well over 1000
I admit I'm not as judgmental towards my brethren in the Church, but I still confront them if they' exhibit any sinful behavior or a rebellious attitude towards the Minister or other members. Thankfully our Church is blessed with a faithful congregation so I've never had any serious issues with anyone.
We have excommunicated several members, for various reasons but these didn't involve me in any way other than I did vote to excommunicate them after I became aware of their sinful behavior.
I was trying to humor you when I claimed to be a "nice guy" I'm fully aware there's no such thing as a nice guy in the bible. I don't claim any goodness of my own, all of my good works are the result of obedience which is born out of fear of God. So there's no good thing in me, all the money and other practical support I have given to the Church is out of obedience to God.
So I'm not a nice guy or a good guy, but my Lord and Master is the only One who goodness can be attributed to. I'm just a beggar, trying to tell other beggars where I found food and water.
I admit I'm not as judgmental towards my brethren in the Church, but I still confront them if they' exhibit any sinful behavior or a rebellious attitude towards the Minister or other members. Thankfully our Church is blessed with a faithful congregation so I've never had any serious issues with anyone.
We have excommunicated several members, for various reasons but these didn't involve me in any way other than I did vote to excommunicate them after I became aware of their sinful behavior.
I was trying to humor you when I claimed to be a "nice guy" I'm fully aware there's no such thing as a nice guy in the bible. I don't claim any goodness of my own, all of my good works are the result of obedience which is born out of fear of God. So there's no good thing in me, all the money and other practical support I have given to the Church is out of obedience to God.
So I'm not a nice guy or a good guy, but my Lord and Master is the only One who goodness can be attributed to. I'm just a beggar, trying to tell other beggars where I found food and water.
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