Predestination is misunderstood...
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In what tense did Jesus shout out? .... "It is finished!"
"Forever!" It stays finished forever! Tetelestai...
Once we take that pill? And, enter into the atonement of the Cross? No sin ever committed after we are saved can cause us to lose our salvation. The work of the Cross remains completed on our behalf for forever!
"Forever!" It stays finished forever! Tetelestai...
Once we take that pill? And, enter into the atonement of the Cross? No sin ever committed after we are saved can cause us to lose our salvation. The work of the Cross remains completed on our behalf for forever!
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It does not matter
Again, you are teaching a works based salvation. He is saying to the reader. if you eat this bread, you will never die.
The moment you eat this bread. the result is you will never die.
Of course he is not going to use past tense. Most of them (probably all of them) have not eaten it yet. so he would not say, if you ate this bread.
Nice try. But God does not contradict himself.
You do not get it at all. Your trying to find things that support your legalistic belief system.
He said they lived, Just like jesus said, Whoever believes in him, will never die.
He continues all through the book of John
1. But as many as have RECIEVED HIM to them he gave the right to become Children of God
2. Whoever believes in him will never die, but live forever
3. Whoever sees and believes will never perish but live forever
4. Ask, and he will give us living water flowing to eternal life.
5. The will of God is everyone who sees and believes may have eternal life and passed from judgment to life
We have already been through John 6.
You want people to keep eating this food which endures forever. which basically means, that food does not endure forever. and jesus is a liar
Actually your reading into the text something that is not there. They ALL were bitten, in effect ALL of them were given the death penalty, (they all would have died) They called out for Gods mercy, so God told Moses to lift the serpent. He who looked LIVED (in the perfect tense)
As jesus said in John 3. Whoever believes is not condemned (shall live) whoever does not believe is condemned already
He does not say after one is made alive, they can be condemned again. its not in the text..
Paul said to be absent from the body was to be present
John said we have eternal life. and because we know we have it, we can continue to have faith.
You can lose your faith.. You will never lose your sonship. God does not kick people out of his family because they are not perfect.
Again, you are teaching a works based salvation. He is saying to the reader. if you eat this bread, you will never die.
The moment you eat this bread. the result is you will never die.
Of course he is not going to use past tense. Most of them (probably all of them) have not eaten it yet. so he would not say, if you ate this bread.
Nice try. But God does not contradict himself.
You do not get it at all. Your trying to find things that support your legalistic belief system.
He said they lived, Just like jesus said, Whoever believes in him, will never die.
He continues all through the book of John
1. But as many as have RECIEVED HIM to them he gave the right to become Children of God
2. Whoever believes in him will never die, but live forever
3. Whoever sees and believes will never perish but live forever
4. Ask, and he will give us living water flowing to eternal life.
5. The will of God is everyone who sees and believes may have eternal life and passed from judgment to life
We have already been through John 6.
You want people to keep eating this food which endures forever. which basically means, that food does not endure forever. and jesus is a liar
Actually your reading into the text something that is not there. They ALL were bitten, in effect ALL of them were given the death penalty, (they all would have died) They called out for Gods mercy, so God told Moses to lift the serpent. He who looked LIVED (in the perfect tense)
As jesus said in John 3. Whoever believes is not condemned (shall live) whoever does not believe is condemned already
He does not say after one is made alive, they can be condemned again. its not in the text..
Paul said to be absent from the body was to be present
John said we have eternal life. and because we know we have it, we can continue to have faith.
You can lose your faith.. You will never lose your sonship. God does not kick people out of his family because they are not perfect.
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Nothing about Gods Grace being gentile, its almighty power, it produces saving converting results, in fact its the almighty dynamic why some believe and some dont. Those who believe do so BECAUSE OF GRACE Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
You are exalting the will of man, not Grace.
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
You are exalting the will of man, not Grace.
Were there aspects of God's plan to redeem creation still yet to be done after Jesus death? If there were, then "IT" is somepart of the plan, and not the whole plan. And we should try to identify what that part of the plan was, and try to avoid assuming things were finished that were not yet finished.
I wonder how much sleep or food any of us would get if we never stopped correcting those we thought were in error LOL! And I am also reminded of the time I came across the official site of the high school which I had attended as a teen to discover somebody there saying I had married and had lived in Kentucky had 4 children but was now dead. When I mentioned those false facts to one of my siblings, she insisted that I must correct the misinformation, but I was just as adamant that I was under no compulsion to do so. Nor did I.
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The atonement that was completed for all.
It needs nothing added to save everyone and anyone who wishes to believe in Christ.
Its stands completed forever and will always be so.
Yet,, even the unbeliever will not have his sins mentioned at the final judgement.
The atonement eliminated the condemnation that comes from being fallen.
The unbeliever will not hear one personal sin being mentioned when he is brought before the Lord.
Unbelievers will not be condemned according to their sins.
For their sins were already judged on the Cross. The atonement was completed forever!
But, unbelievers will be judged according to their works.
Why?
One work will be sought for in the book and not found.
Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
Jesus answered and said to them,
Not by works,
But one single work.
One specific single work required of God.
It needs nothing added to save everyone and anyone who wishes to believe in Christ.
Its stands completed forever and will always be so.
Yet,, even the unbeliever will not have his sins mentioned at the final judgement.
The atonement eliminated the condemnation that comes from being fallen.
The unbeliever will not hear one personal sin being mentioned when he is brought before the Lord.
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone
where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day
and night forever and ever.
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the
earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened.
And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged
according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave
up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were
in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and
Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. "
Revelation 20:10-14
Unbelievers will not be condemned according to their sins.
For their sins were already judged on the Cross. The atonement was completed forever!
But, unbelievers will be judged according to their works.
Why?
One work will be sought for in the book and not found.
Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
Jesus answered and said to them,
“This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” John 6:28-29
Not by works,
But one single work.
One specific single work required of God.
Being almighty does not require intimidation by show of force.
For what can harm the Almighty God?
Then He said, “Go out, and stand on the mountain before the Lord.”
And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind tore
into the mountains and broke the rocks in pieces before the Lord,
but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake,
but the Lord was not in the earthquake; and after the earthquake a
fire, but the Lord was not in the fire;
and after the fire a still small voice." 1 Kings 19:11-12
We have so much to learn .. and, unlearn.
grace and peace .............