Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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I am saying God is all of these things. But your doctrine has divided who God is by removing the rest of Him for one trait of Him. My God is Saviour, Deliverer, Faithful, Merciful, Graceful, Kind, Loving, Plentiful, Righteous, Miraculous, Supplier of Needs, Healer, Provider, He is Everything. And when God does one thing He does it with ALL that He is not just a portion.
And only his children. Not the seed of the serpent! From the very beginning God decreed that there would be two kinds of people in the world.
And what you have to understand about a lot of NRs is that they believe God's elects believers only after they chose to elect him by their "free will". So what we have is a double election thingy going on.
And what you have to understand about a lot of NRs is that they believe God's elects believers only after they chose to elect him by their "free will". So what we have is a double election thingy going on.
Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.
- Romans 8:27-30,33
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Okay. Who is the him who subjugated it? When will creation be freed from the bondage of corruption?
Who is the him who subjugated it? When will creation be freed from the bondage of corruption?
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I am going to make another post just for you so you see my meaning.
And just remember this about the term "foreknowledge". It is an anthropomorphism used of God to accommodate our finite understanding of his attributes and his eternal existence.. God knows all things innately, instantaneously and spontaneously. He doesn't "look into" the future to learn what is going to happen; for God does not acquire knowledge.
Also, did you read that last sentence in the above passage very slowly and carefully as I exhorted yesterday -- the sentence that begins with "Moreover" (v.30)? Whom God predestined, he CALLED and whom he called, he also justified. Therefore, the "call" of God is efficacious. The text clearly implies this since all whom God [internally] called, he did in fact Justify. And it's God doing all the work here. If the call was merely the outward, external call of the gospel, then Paul could not have said that, since numerous people in scripture heard the gospel and rejected it. This is why the internal, effectual call of God cannot be to all people (as you suggested yesterday) because if it were, then everyone would be saved, according to the passage. For those who are called are also JUSTIFIED and those who are justified, these he also glorified, And notice carefully the tense of the verb "glorified". It's in the prophetic past tense. Yet, our glorification is still in our future! The prophetic past tense emphatically drives home the point that our glorification is a done deal from the eternal perspective from which Paul was writing. I hope you can see this great and awesome truth!
Also, did you read that last sentence in the above passage very slowly and carefully as I exhorted yesterday -- the sentence that begins with "Moreover" (v.30)? Whom God predestined, he CALLED and whom he called, he also justified. Therefore, the "call" of God is efficacious. The text clearly implies this since all whom God [internally] called, he did in fact Justify. And it's God doing all the work here. If the call was merely the outward, external call of the gospel, then Paul could not have said that, since numerous people in scripture heard the gospel and rejected it. This is why the internal, effectual call of God cannot be to all people (as you suggested yesterday) because if it were, then everyone would be saved, according to the passage. For those who are called are also JUSTIFIED and those who are justified, these he also glorified, And notice carefully the tense of the verb "glorified". It's in the prophetic past tense. Yet, our glorification is still in our future! The prophetic past tense emphatically drives home the point that our glorification is a done deal from the eternal perspective from which Paul was writing. I hope you can see this great and awesome truth!
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We believe that Paul is the author of Hebrews.
Paul either wrote/said: 3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation? which began to be spoken through the Lord, and was confirmed for us by those that heard.
Let's look at this verse closer.
1. which began to be spoken through the Lord
2. and was confirmed for us by those that heard
Jesus spoke to His Disciples, they Heard, and then we see they CONFIRMED what Jesus said.
So what did Jesus say to them?
1. 47 and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
2. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
3. 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”
39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive
So Jesus said to His Disciples 1. Repent, 2. be Baptized, 3. receive the Holy Spirit
How did the Disciples confirm what Jesus said?
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So Paul, in Hebrews, says LOOK to what Jesus said and what the Disciples confirmed about Salvation.
Peter confirmed Jesus Words:
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Paul either wrote/said: 3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation? which began to be spoken through the Lord, and was confirmed for us by those that heard.
Let's look at this verse closer.
1. which began to be spoken through the Lord
2. and was confirmed for us by those that heard
Jesus spoke to His Disciples, they Heard, and then we see they CONFIRMED what Jesus said.
So what did Jesus say to them?
1. 47 and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
2. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
3. 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”
39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive
So Jesus said to His Disciples 1. Repent, 2. be Baptized, 3. receive the Holy Spirit
How did the Disciples confirm what Jesus said?
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So Paul, in Hebrews, says LOOK to what Jesus said and what the Disciples confirmed about Salvation.
Peter confirmed Jesus Words:
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I just don’t see it as you say regarding Romans 8:21.
The pains of giving birth to a new age are being felt throughout the entire creation. As one prophecy after another comes to pass, these labor pangs are drawing nearer and closer. The end of the flesh age is near. When Jesus Christ returns to earth, this new kingdom age will arrive in the twinkling of an eye. Those who are God's elect—those who bear God's seal in their hearts and minds—should not be completely caught off guard. In Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, Jesus describes exactly what will happen before He returns.
The pains of giving birth to a new age are being felt throughout the entire creation. As one prophecy after another comes to pass, these labor pangs are drawing nearer and closer. The end of the flesh age is near. When Jesus Christ returns to earth, this new kingdom age will arrive in the twinkling of an eye. Those who are God's elect—those who bear God's seal in their hearts and minds—should not be completely caught off guard. In Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, Jesus describes exactly what will happen before He returns.
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Nothing what you say remotely matches to what Romans 8:21 is saying.
What happened with Adam?
How did that effect the rest of creation?
Why did God allow it?
God did it for this reason:
21 in hope that the creation itself shall be freed from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.
What happened with Adam?
How did that effect the rest of creation?
Why did God allow it?
God did it for this reason:
21 in hope that the creation itself shall be freed from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.
We believe that Paul is the author of Hebrews.
Paul either wrote/said: 3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation? which began to be spoken through the Lord, and was confirmed for us by those that heard.
Let's look at this verse closer.
1. which began to be spoken through the Lord
2. and was confirmed for us by those that heard
Jesus spoke to His Disciples, they Heard, and then we see they CONFIRMED what Jesus said.
So what did Jesus say to them?
1. 47 and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
2. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
3. 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”
39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive
So Jesus said to His Disciples 1. Repent, 2. be Baptized, 3. receive the Holy Spirit
How did the Disciples confirm what Jesus said?
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So Paul, in Hebrews, says LOOK to what Jesus said and what the Disciples confirmed about Salvation.
Peter confirmed Jesus Words:
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Paul either wrote/said: 3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation? which began to be spoken through the Lord, and was confirmed for us by those that heard.
Let's look at this verse closer.
1. which began to be spoken through the Lord
2. and was confirmed for us by those that heard
Jesus spoke to His Disciples, they Heard, and then we see they CONFIRMED what Jesus said.
So what did Jesus say to them?
1. 47 and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
2. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
3. 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”
39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive
So Jesus said to His Disciples 1. Repent, 2. be Baptized, 3. receive the Holy Spirit
How did the Disciples confirm what Jesus said?
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So Paul, in Hebrews, says LOOK to what Jesus said and what the Disciples confirmed about Salvation.
Peter confirmed Jesus Words:
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.