Predestination is misunderstood...

[sawdust]

I have the right order

So you're saying God created a destiny before He saw the saved. He would have looked silly if it turned out no-one believed Him.

 

[Genez]

oh Really.

Well do you know him well then,

Generally speaking you can only get to know someone well, if you know how to please them

What would you do if I private conversation-ed everyone here, and asked that we all agree to put you on Ignore?
Would that snap you back into reality?

 

[Genez]

Do you believe in predestination ?

This is the million dollar question. Most in mans religions dont believe in this doctrine, or they believe it in a man centered way that deny the Sovereignty of God, but nevertheless its a Salvation Doctrine. In a book and chapter primarily about Salvation Paul writes Eph 1:3-6

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

There's no word of Salvation without predestination.

We were predestined to be the bride of Christ when we believed.

So, out of all souls that God knew would believe?
He predestined them to be born during the church age.

Moses was to be the age of Israel.
So God predestined him to be born during that time.

Hence.... "Predestination."

Not predestined to believe.
But, predestined as to when we would be born to discover and display our belief that God knew we would.
Known to God before we were born, that we would believe.

In doing so? We being chosen in Christ? God has chosen a Bride for His Son!

In the Resurrection we will be conformed to His image! God chose it to be that way...

grace and peace!

..............

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

What would you do if I private conversation-ed everyone here, and asked that we all agree to put you on Ignore?
Would that snap you back into reality?

I think people are clever enough to see past your behaviour by now.

 

[Dino246]

I think people are clever enough to see past your behaviour by now.

Perhaps you should stop speaking for others and just attend to the thread topic.

 

[Genez]

Sure, God predestinated it duh

The real question that does not get asked by those who only want simple answers?

How was God able to bypass His omniscience at the moment we were to be created in God's mind?

It was not impossible for God....


grace and peace .................

 

[Genez]

Perhaps you should stop speaking for others and just attend to the thread topic.

Denial has its limits, even when others show patience and humor him...

Its still all family.

 

[Mem]

There is no time where God is not present, He's omnipresent. And, being present in every possible moment, He is omniscient. Is there a designated term for us, beings with only the ability to live in the present? And, though we can see in the past, we can only know the present, and also the past in which we were actually present, is there a term for that? And while I'm amassing knowledge, do Calvinists consider themselves impotent?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Perhaps you should stop speaking for others and just attend to the thread topic.

Your happy to give advice but you don't want to take it,
It feals like I'm talking to somebody who is highly ignorant with you, as I have addressed the thread of this topic over and over again, which is predestination is miss understood.

what I have given to this thread is my 15 years of researching this topic and living it with God through experience and knowledge.

you can't beat experience and people are normally happy to learn by experience, but not you.

your just not willing to accept anything I say without findind a reason to disagree.

The things your finding disagreement upon all the time, isn't worthwhile and is also changing the direction of what I'm talking about over and over again.

it almost like your telling people what to do knowingly by your own mistakes.

Theres something seriously wrong with you.

 

[Genez]

well anyway good morning.

I can't remember the last time I had good morning around here as a result of speaking to you.

Every Time I speak to you, you say that I am something, same with Dino every time I speak to Dino he says I am something.


So then hes saying I will never insult you..
Now your saying I'm misguided for saying so.

You may as well both be telling me,

I have no life and I can be whom ever you and Dino both want me to be.

Now talking about being miss guided.


You keep going on about total depravity.

Well, When you keep telling people what they are, when there not something you say they are, this is giving a person total depravity and putting a person in to a little box along with everything else that fits in your box

Now when you constantly put something into a box like this.

The only type of will your demonstrating is. An imprisoned will.

And there simply is no way to escape Gods wrath

So whilst you might think that I live in you box.

I don't it's your box and you are imprisoned there.

I'm never going to be in your box ever


As your box is also your hole that you have dug for yourself

Now you may think,.with free will that you can pull me into your hole.

But no you can't because there is no such thing as human free will.


Now at the start of the conversation I asked you a polite question.

So now I'm asking again do you want to know where the whole of mankind has been imprisoned by God's will

Careful now.. That soapbox your standing on is made of balsa wood...

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

There is no time where God is not present, He's omnipresent. And, being present in every possible moment, He is omniscient. Is there a designated term for us, beings with only the ability to live in the present? And, though we can see in the past, we can only know the present, and also the past in which we were actually present, is there a term for that? And while I'm amassing knowledge, do Calvinists consider themselves impotent?

Well Having been given dreams where I have known my future before it happens I would disagree with you.

And it hasn't just happened once it's happened thousands of times for over 15 years

And when I speak to God he tells me why, over and over and points me to scripture where the same understanding is there also. but seeing nobody wants to learn from my experience, what's the point in me even mentioning it.

Further more All tho God is all knowing before fall we where living In his present time, he simply chose that at first for mankind, he could have known if wanted to what Adam and eve where going to do next before the fall but he chose not to at first.

I have also shown through scripture and God's guidance how that's possible.

God has put us in past time to know what where going to do next since after the fall, which has huge implications for understanding predestination and his will, but nobody wants to listen.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Careful now.. That soapbox your standing on is made of balsa wood...

your not clever all your doing is being smart

 

[Mem]

Well Having been given dreams where I have known my future before it happens I would disagree with you.

And it hasn't just happened once it's happened thousands of times for over 15 years

And when I speak to God he tells me why, over and over and points me to scripture where the same understanding is there also. but seeing nobody wants to learn from my experience, what's the point in me even mentioning it.

Further more All tho God is all knowing before fall we where living In his present time, he simply chose that at first for mankind, he could have known if wanted to what Adam and eve where going to do next before the fall but he chose not to at first.

I have also shown through scripture and God's guidance how that's possible.

God has put us in past time to know what where going to do next since after the fall, which has huge implications for understanding predestination and his will, but nobody wants to listen.

God condescends in order to His approach to a relationship with man, since we are unable to ascend. That is, He speaks to us in the present, which is all we know. If you have seen into the future, it's because God has revealed it to you rather than any inherent power of your own.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

God condescends in order to His approach to a relationship with man, since we are unable to ascend. That is, He speaks to us in the present, which is all we know. If you have seen into the future, it's because God has revealed it to you rather than any inherent power of your own.

His spirit is always present because his spirit is everywhere including time itself

His spirit is everything

What your missing is that God can be in two different times at once.

It doesn't matter if he has you living one year behind his present time, as he would still be present in our time.

with God all things are possible

 

[Mem]

His spirit is always present because his spirit is everywhere including time itself

His spirit is everything

What your missing is that God can be in two different times at once.

It doesn't matter if he has you living one year behind his present time, as he would still be present in our time.

with God all things are possible

Can you not stand on your own merit without needing to suggest I am 'missing' anything?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Can you not stand on your own merit without needing to suggest I am 'missing' anything?

What im simply suggesting was you where missing something,.does that mean i think less of you.

What I'm giving you is experience and knowledge of God's predestination for all of us.

Why he has us living behind his present time.

What I'm telling you all tho this is happening he is still present in our time, the things we did they've all ready come pass in his time.

He can still talk to us as his spirit is everywhere,.and still be with us in past time as well as his spirit being in the distant future.

He can set it to what ever time he wants.

All he has to do is make time stand still here on earth, as he has done in scripture also.

 

[Genez]

Well Having been given dreams where I have known my future before it happens I would disagree with you.

Same here...

Dreams of places where I was to find myself in the future.
And at the time of having the dream? What I was shown was sometimes, not even yet existing.

That kind of dream I had about the Bible college I attended.
The school that I found myself attending about years after having the dream.

What I was shown? When I was shown? Was not being a Bible college when I had the dream which was ten years before
finding myself there....
And, it had only become a Bible college for a few years before I got there.

I was driven there to go see it by students who had been giving a Bible study near where I was living.
The drive to go see the school was about a three hour drive away.

Those years of waiting to get there were both mystifying, and highly disorienting. It was a form of stabilized insanity to me.
Disorienting because I did not at that time realized that when I believed in Jesus that anything in me was to change.
I was Jewish and did not even know that regeneration was to cause an inward changing....

grace and peace.....

 

[Dino246]

It feals

The word is "feels".

like I'm talking to somebody who is highly ignorant with you, as I have addressed the thread of this topic over and over again, which is predestination is miss understood.

The word is "misunderstood".

your just not willing to accept anything I say without findind a reason to disagree.

The things your finding disagreement upon all the time, isn't worthwhile and is also changing the direction of what I'm talking about over and over again.

it almost like your telling people what to do knowingly by your own mistakes.

The word is "you're".

You are complaining that I don't take your advice, but this is the third time I've corrected you on the spelling of "feels".

If you want to discuss the thread topic, great... then stop making comments about other subjects.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Same here...

Dreams of places where I was to find myself in the future.
And at the time of having the dream? What I was shown was sometimes, not even yet existing.

That kind of dream I had about the Bible college I attended.
The school that I found myself attending about years after having the dream.

What I was shown? When I was shown? Was not being a Bible college when I had the dream which was ten years before
finding myself there....
And, it had only become a Bible college for a few years before I got there.

I was driven there to go see it by students who had been giving a Bible study near where I was living.
The drive to go see the school was about a three hour drive away.

Those years of waiting to get there were both mystifying, and highly disorienting. It was a form of stabilized insanity to me.
Disorienting because I did not at that time realized that when I believed in Jesus that anything in me was to change.
I was Jewish and did not even know that regeneration was to cause an inward changing....

grace and peace.....

The dreams I'm talking about can be anything I do and even say on a distant future event,

It can be anything, such as meeting a person I don't know. Going some where I've Never been having an accident somebody dying.

Every single detail from the words said to the people met, to the type of building or the type of surroundings, have all happend in my dream, and then happened in real life in a distance event , the same as in my dream

And it hasn't just happen once but thousands of times.

Even something like watching a cinema movie like king Kong, or the twin tower getting bombed. All seen in my dream before they happened in every detail, as it happens in my dream, it comes true always within one year.

I Get premonition to before things happend, I see the event flash before my eyes just before there about to happen

On many occasions it's saved my life

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The word is "feels".


The word is "misunderstood".


The word is "you're".

You are complaining that I don't take your advice, but this is the third time I've corrected you on the spelling of "feels".

If you want to discuss the thread topic, great... then stop making comments about other subjects.

Are you bored or something, you keeps judging people by your own wrong doings,

Time and time again You've judged me by exactly the way your behaving.

What's going on with you, it's like your seeing your own fault and blaming other people for it.

Your also finding all theese ways to find fault and mistakes, where by each time you escalate an argument out of thin air.

It's like your at war with your own mistakes and conscience and trying to find fault in others to make your own mistakes seem less of a mistake.

What's going on with you