Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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Can you show me where in the bible those who are not saved go to Heaven?
Elect also speaks of a group of people that came from Abraham. Known as "the called-out one." Which is the Old Testament
The New Testament also speaks of the Jews as the Elected of God .
As it stands, the concept of God electing those who will be saved (predestination) isn’t controversial. It is a biblical truth (John 6:44, Romans 8:28-30, Ephesians 1:4-5). What is controversial is how and in what manner God chooses those who will be saved.
When Jesus says to those, " I Never knew you." they all surely thought they were the elect.
Both predestination and personal responsibility are true—God is completely in control, and humanity makes choices and is completely accountable for those choices. The Bible does not present these as irreconcilable truths (as theological traditions sometimes do). We learn that, if God elected those He foreknew, He both knows His creation before it exists and He determines important things about His creation. If God is great enough to be the Creator of all, then He is not stumped by the mutual existence of His sovereignty and human volition, choice, and responsibility.
Can you show me where in the bible those who are not saved go to Heaven?
Elect also speaks of a group of people that came from Abraham. Known as "the called-out one." Which is the Old Testament
The New Testament also speaks of the Jews as the Elected of God .
As it stands, the concept of God electing those who will be saved (predestination) isn’t controversial. It is a biblical truth (John 6:44, Romans 8:28-30, Ephesians 1:4-5). What is controversial is how and in what manner God chooses those who will be saved.
When Jesus says to those, " I Never knew you." they all surely thought they were the elect.
Both predestination and personal responsibility are true—God is completely in control, and humanity makes choices and is completely accountable for those choices. The Bible does not present these as irreconcilable truths (as theological traditions sometimes do). We learn that, if God elected those He foreknew, He both knows His creation before it exists and He determines important things about His creation. If God is great enough to be the Creator of all, then He is not stumped by the mutual existence of His sovereignty and human volition, choice, and responsibility.
John 6:44 is about the twelve Jesus chose at the beginning of His ministry to be with Him, one of whom was Judas Iscariot. They were not chosen into salvation at that time. unless you think Judas was saved.
Romans 8:28-30 doesn't mention the word election.
Eph. 1:4-5 doesn't mention those who are chosen to be saved. It talks about those who have become in Christ (God's Elect) by faith, who have thereby become also elect/chosen ones in Him: chosen to be holy and blameless at the resurrection of the just (the adoption) .
Ephesians 1:4-5
King James Version
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Romans 8:28-30 doesn't mention the word election.
Eph. 1:4-5 doesn't mention those who are chosen to be saved. It talks about those who have become in Christ (God's Elect) by faith, who have thereby become also elect/chosen ones in Him: chosen to be holy and blameless at the resurrection of the just (the adoption) .
Ephesians 1:4-5
King James Version
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
The Bible says Stan entered into Judas and that was before the resurrection.
All Jews who died then were under the Old Covenant. And it was Jesu HImself.
Said on the Cross, "It is Finished." all past debt, current debt, and future debt was paid in full by his blood
Now, The Jews are the elect people of God. Yet many of them will not be saved. Because they rejected Christ as all will be who reject so great a salvation.
All Jews who died then were under the Old Covenant. And it was Jesu HImself.
Said on the Cross, "It is Finished." all past debt, current debt, and future debt was paid in full by his blood
Now, The Jews are the elect people of God. Yet many of them will not be saved. Because they rejected Christ as all will be who reject so great a salvation.
There are no "non-elect" as far as God is concerned.
It's His will that ALL be saved, and Jesus paid for the sins of ALL people.
See Post #24 for scriptural proof
Those being in opposition to God's Word creates strife between themselves and the Lord causing them to not be in right standing with the Lord.
My scriptures can beat up your scriptures!
Twisting scripture does not make other scriptures to be false.
Exactly!
The verses I posted prove that it's God's will for ALL to be saved so the calvinists will be the ones going to fire lake.
They should repent at their earliest convenience and quit follow the teachings of a murder who had no eternal life in him! (1 John 3:15)
It always amazes me that John Calvin thought it was God's will to have those that disagreed with him murdered and in modren times otherwise intelligent people have so little common sense but to follow this heretic!
They probably have to be told to look both way before they cross the street too!
There are no "non-elect" as far as God is concerned.
It's His will that ALL be saved, and Jesus paid for the sins of ALL people.
See Post #24 for scriptural proof
Those being in opposition to God's Word creates strife between themselves and the Lord causing them to not be in right standing with the Lord.
My scriptures can beat up your scriptures!
Twisting scripture does not make other scriptures to be false.
Exactly!
The verses I posted prove that it's God's will for ALL to be saved so the calvinists will be the ones going to fire lake.
They should repent at their earliest convenience and quit follow the teachings of a murder who had no eternal life in him! (1 John 3:15)
It always amazes me that John Calvin thought it was God's will to have those that disagreed with him murdered and in modren times otherwise intelligent people have so little common sense but to follow this heretic!
They probably have to be told to look both way before they cross the street too!
It's His will that ALL be saved, and Jesus paid for the sins of ALL people.
See Post #24 for scriptural proof
Those being in opposition to God's Word creates strife between themselves and the Lord causing them to not be in right standing with the Lord.
My scriptures can beat up your scriptures!
Twisting scripture does not make other scriptures to be false.
Exactly!
The verses I posted prove that it's God's will for ALL to be saved so the calvinists will be the ones going to fire lake.
They should repent at their earliest convenience and quit follow the teachings of a murder who had no eternal life in him! (1 John 3:15)
It always amazes me that John Calvin thought it was God's will to have those that disagreed with him murdered and in modren times otherwise intelligent people have so little common sense but to follow this heretic!
They probably have to be told to look both way before they cross the street too!
This is how Ethnic supremacy came into the church. man started to say who was the elect and who was not.
There is a history of Mr. Calvin that many do not want to talk about. as they Tie toe thru the Tulips. John Calvin history in Geneva stems from 38 to 53 excustions he was supportive of. " John Calvin’s interpretation of the Bible justified the murder of his theological opponents. "
it's ok to kill those who do not aline with you biblically it seems.
He himself did not cut off any heads or light any fires that burned human heretics alive, but John Calvin’s preaching from the Old and New Testaments claimed those capital punishments aligned with God’s interests.
That sound like something Christ would do and the early church. I saw that all over in the book of Acts.
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He put the hit out on people and others carried out the murder.
IN his own writings he spoke of having Michael Servetus whacked and said he believed it was the right thing to do, he had no regrets about it, and would do it again.
This is how an unrepentant murderer thinks so he is in hell right now!
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Clearly this man had demons living in him.
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There are no "non-elect" as far as God is concerned.
It's His will that ALL be saved, and Jesus paid for the sins of ALL people.
See Post #24 for scriptural proof
Those being in opposition to God's Word creates strife between themselves and the Lord causing them to not be in right standing with the Lord.
My scriptures can beat up your scriptures!
Twisting scripture does not make other scriptures to be false.
Exactly!
The verses I posted prove that it's God's will for ALL to be saved so the calvinists will be the ones going to fire lake.
They should repent at their earliest convenience and quit follow the teachings of a murder who had no eternal life in him! (1 John 3:15)
It always amazes me that John Calvin thought it was God's will to have those that disagreed with him murdered and in modren times otherwise intelligent people have so little common sense but to follow this heretic!
They probably have to be told to look both way before they cross the street too!
It's His will that ALL be saved, and Jesus paid for the sins of ALL people.
See Post #24 for scriptural proof
Those being in opposition to God's Word creates strife between themselves and the Lord causing them to not be in right standing with the Lord.
My scriptures can beat up your scriptures!
Twisting scripture does not make other scriptures to be false.
Exactly!
The verses I posted prove that it's God's will for ALL to be saved so the calvinists will be the ones going to fire lake.
They should repent at their earliest convenience and quit follow the teachings of a murder who had no eternal life in him! (1 John 3:15)
It always amazes me that John Calvin thought it was God's will to have those that disagreed with him murdered and in modren times otherwise intelligent people have so little common sense but to follow this heretic!
They probably have to be told to look both way before they cross the street too!
I don't subscribe to your Arminian view, which teaches the man centered gospel where God hopes and prays that men will finish the work His Son failed to complete on the cross, in order to save them.
My Bible doesn't teach that salvation is a joint effort between God and man. My Bible teaches that the Lord completed the work of salvation on the cross. I would need to see Biblical evidence to support the Arminian view, until then I will stick with what God has said in His Word.
That should be "There would be no blood of Jesus, without first having the lost to shed His blood for. " We do not become "elect" until we become "in the Elect One", and that does not happen until a lost person puts their faith in Christ. So they were not already elect when the blood was shed. The scriptures say that the elect are saints. It never calls the elect lost sinners who will one day become saints.
Going by this logic, it must be God's will that Adam and Eve sinned causing who knows how many millions of people to spend eternity suffering in hell.
It would actually have to be not only God's fault, but He caused all these people to go to hell which is what calvinists believe because the god they follow is actually the devil. They'll learn this the hard way.
It is actually a joint effort between God and man seeing God is not FORCING people to get saved.
Too bad your thought line here comes from the false doctrines of calvinism which is debunked and defunct. Boom!
You have not done that up till now so it's doubtful you ever will at this point.
It all depends on whether your a Calvinist or Arminian, as the two have very different interpretations. You obviously believe the Arminian theology and I believe that Calvinist theology is biblically correct. So I'll stick with Calvinism until someone shows me why the Arminian theology is the Biblically correct one. We don't have any third option to choose, so it has to be one of these two.
I haven't found any scriptures which support the Arminian position, but I'm open minded and willing to be corrected. And nobody has found anything, biblically wrong with Calvinism so far.
I haven't found any scriptures which support the Arminian position, but I'm open minded and willing to be corrected. And nobody has found anything, biblically wrong with Calvinism so far.
All of that is your private views and supposition, none of it is supported by any scripture. You don't get call the shots for God to comply with your personal (fallen) dictates.
God is sovereign, His will is not dependent on your approval. By accusing the Calvinist view God, as being the Devil. This demonstrates your ignorance of what Calvinist theology teaches.
We do believe that God is sovereign over all His creation, which fallen man rejects because they refuse to allow God to be God. They demand that God conforms to their expectations of how He must behave or they reject His authority over them.
You either believe that God is in full control over His creation or you don't. If you believe you can override Gods authority and will, because He doesn't pass your scrutiny or meet your expectations. Then I believe that view is blasphemous, and it should be repented of.
God is sovereign, His will is not dependent on your approval. By accusing the Calvinist view God, as being the Devil. This demonstrates your ignorance of what Calvinist theology teaches.
We do believe that God is sovereign over all His creation, which fallen man rejects because they refuse to allow God to be God. They demand that God conforms to their expectations of how He must behave or they reject His authority over them.
You either believe that God is in full control over His creation or you don't. If you believe you can override Gods authority and will, because He doesn't pass your scrutiny or meet your expectations. Then I believe that view is blasphemous, and it should be repented of.