Do we know how Yeshua lived his life?
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You don't understand salvation, and what God has made available to us. We have become partakers of the divine nature. We have access to the same power that raised Jesus from the dead, and you want people to try their best which always inevitably fails due to our imperfections.
You aren't directly advocating for people to sin. But by teaching them to try their best rather than walk in the Spirit, the result is the same.
You aren't directly advocating for people to sin. But by teaching them to try their best rather than walk in the Spirit, the result is the same.
So if I said. hay it's all good we don't need to be follow the teachings and example Yeshua left us, all would good in your world? Yet the Word is clear that we are to do our best, no matter how hard we try, we will sin. That means everyone of us.
Yet I am wrong by saying the same thing the Word tells us about salvation.
Mat 19:17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Yet by my understanding of your words we should not follow this, why? Do we then reject His teachings in favor of mans? Yeshua had this to say about that.
Mar 7:9¶And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
I would advise you to read that full chapter before you reply.
Yet I am wrong by saying the same thing the Word tells us about salvation.
Mat 19:17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Yet by my understanding of your words we should not follow this, why? Do we then reject His teachings in favor of mans? Yeshua had this to say about that.
Mar 7:9¶And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
I would advise you to read that full chapter before you reply.
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Because most people are stuck on the teachings of Paul. Jesus is my Lord, God, and Saviour. He is the ONE whom I desire to know the most. I read the others because of Hebrews chapter 2 and verse (3) 3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation? which began to be spoken through the Lord, and was confirmed for us by those that heard.
Hebrew 2:3 is saying what did Jesus teach? And that we will not only know about what Jesus taught by reading the words of Jesus, but those same words will be confirmed by those who heard when Jesus spoke. Hebrew 2:3 is showing us to understand Jesus, and to read what HIS Disciples wrote about. So I spend more time reading what Jesus said and what Peter and John wrote about. Paul is ok, but Paul DID NOT hear what Jesus said, only the Disciples did like Hebrews 2:3 point out.
Hebrew 2:3 is saying what did Jesus teach? And that we will not only know about what Jesus taught by reading the words of Jesus, but those same words will be confirmed by those who heard when Jesus spoke. Hebrew 2:3 is showing us to understand Jesus, and to read what HIS Disciples wrote about. So I spend more time reading what Jesus said and what Peter and John wrote about. Paul is ok, but Paul DID NOT hear what Jesus said, only the Disciples did like Hebrews 2:3 point out.
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And as everyone is quick to point out, we can't live a sin free life. So does that mean that the law is there to instruct everyone? Or is there a way to sin that doesn't bring the law into it in anyway?
If you read the post I was replying to, you will find that I am saying what you wish to claim. Rather simply asking a question in reply to a post by someone.
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Yet you seem to have no answer. One thing I do know, is that some wish to pass things off as something they are not, due to their inability to provide an answer. At lest one that can be backed by sound scripture. No big thing for me, I know that by doing my best to walk as Yeshua walked, I will face much of what He had, He even told us as much.
Jhn 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
So when folks try to place me in a bad light, I see it as a sign that I am doing the right thing. After all, if I live a sinful life, and teach that there no law to be obedient to, then no one would think anything of my teachings.
Again you have taken my words out of context. As you can see I said IF, that in no way says, your sin. Besides what right does anyone have to judge, when we all live a sinful life?
If the act of replying to a post in a way that seems fitting makes me wrong, then are you also not wrong in doing the same?
And as everyone is quick to point out, we can't live a sin free life. So does that mean that the law is there to instruct everyone? Or is there a way to sin that doesn't bring the law into it in anyway?
If you read the post I was replying to, you will find that I am saying what you wish to claim. Rather simply asking a question in reply to a post by someone.
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Yet you seem to have no answer. One thing I do know, is that some wish to pass things off as something they are not, due to their inability to provide an answer. At lest one that can be backed by sound scripture. No big thing for me, I know that by doing my best to walk as Yeshua walked, I will face much of what He had, He even told us as much.
Jhn 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
So when folks try to place me in a bad light, I see it as a sign that I am doing the right thing. After all, if I live a sinful life, and teach that there no law to be obedient to, then no one would think anything of my teachings.
Again you have taken my words out of context. As you can see I said IF, that in no way says, your sin. Besides what right does anyone have to judge, when we all live a sinful life?
If the act of replying to a post in a way that seems fitting makes me wrong, then are you also not wrong in doing the same?
That is sad, yet true. As I said many times, there are many in this world that wish to place in direct conflict with the Teachings of Yeshua. Yet to say Paul didn't hear the teachings of Yeshua is not 100% accurate. For 3 days Paul was blind, and though we are not told all that he heard in that 3 days, it is made clear He spoke with Yeshua. Then Paul isn't the topic of this thread, so lets get back to that.
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Yes. The life and teachings of Christ are for Christians to follow. At the same time His teachings were developed in the rest of the New Testament. When Christians "walk in the Spirit" they do what Christ wants. And we cannot forget that His righteousness is imputed to us when we are justified by grace through faith.
Now lets put this thread where it should be. We are here to look at how Yeshua lived His life, and only that.
As has been made clear, it is understood that Yeshua lived His life by the laws given by HaShem. Fulfilling the Prophets, in every detail. Yet not all prophecy has been fulfilled, so by the teachings of Yeshua have not been removed.
The best way to do this in my mind, is to start with the book of John. So lets go there and open with that.
Jhn 1:1¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
What is the Word? many say the word is what was given at Mount Sinai. We see this as true for one reason. The Word was given verbally to all that were there. Oh sure it scared them, and they told Moses to go and get the teachings, and then tell them. (Not word for word, though the teaching is intacked. )
Others say it was the words spoken by HaShem to create everything. Again we agree with this. before anyone tries to say we can't have it both ways, I ask why not? Both are HaShem speaking, and both hold His Word. I do ask that you keep in mind that Yeshua and HaShem are for all intent one and the same. However there is also a human side of Yeshua. That part of Him that opened the door for us to See HaShem in Him.
Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Now I have seen some attempt to use this to say, "See the Jewish people know, and so they were rejected." That however isn't true as we will see in time.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
2 things to look at here. First, are we not all HaShem's children? In fact we are, after all without Him not one of us would have even been born. Even though some may wish to remove HaShem, the Word, and Yeshua from the face of the earth. They still wouldn't be here if not for Him.
The other. Why would John say even them that believe...? Do we not have to believe to become a child of HaShem? For some that answer is YES. Yet John seen fit to make the distinction.
Jhn 1:14¶And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
In this passage we find that Yeshua became human. To some this would show that He faced the same sinful nature we face. Yet He over came that side of human nature, showing us that we could as well. Sadly however we seem to sin no matter what we do.
As one reads through this chapter many things come to light. First is that even before they had seen His power in action, they knew who He was.
When we turn we will move into the Teachings of Yeshua. After all it is through them that we learn HOW HE LIVED HIS LIFE.
As has been made clear, it is understood that Yeshua lived His life by the laws given by HaShem. Fulfilling the Prophets, in every detail. Yet not all prophecy has been fulfilled, so by the teachings of Yeshua have not been removed.
The best way to do this in my mind, is to start with the book of John. So lets go there and open with that.
Jhn 1:1¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
What is the Word? many say the word is what was given at Mount Sinai. We see this as true for one reason. The Word was given verbally to all that were there. Oh sure it scared them, and they told Moses to go and get the teachings, and then tell them. (Not word for word, though the teaching is intacked. )
Others say it was the words spoken by HaShem to create everything. Again we agree with this. before anyone tries to say we can't have it both ways, I ask why not? Both are HaShem speaking, and both hold His Word. I do ask that you keep in mind that Yeshua and HaShem are for all intent one and the same. However there is also a human side of Yeshua. That part of Him that opened the door for us to See HaShem in Him.
Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Now I have seen some attempt to use this to say, "See the Jewish people know, and so they were rejected." That however isn't true as we will see in time.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
2 things to look at here. First, are we not all HaShem's children? In fact we are, after all without Him not one of us would have even been born. Even though some may wish to remove HaShem, the Word, and Yeshua from the face of the earth. They still wouldn't be here if not for Him.
The other. Why would John say even them that believe...? Do we not have to believe to become a child of HaShem? For some that answer is YES. Yet John seen fit to make the distinction.
Jhn 1:14¶And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
In this passage we find that Yeshua became human. To some this would show that He faced the same sinful nature we face. Yet He over came that side of human nature, showing us that we could as well. Sadly however we seem to sin no matter what we do.
As one reads through this chapter many things come to light. First is that even before they had seen His power in action, they knew who He was.
When we turn we will move into the Teachings of Yeshua. After all it is through them that we learn HOW HE LIVED HIS LIFE.