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Genez said:
Careful! You're going to confuse him now.

Caught him with his pants down after putting them on fire!

His nose is longer than a telephone wire! :ROFL:
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Based on something he said a number of pages back, I think he would rather we believe him based on his experience than believing on the word of God.

Buckley's chance he will get me to do that. ;)
 
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sawdust said:
Based on something he said a number of pages back, I think he would rather we believe him based on his experience than believing on the word of God.

Buckley's chance he will get me to do that. ;)
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Would you please exegete, 'Buckley's chance,' for us foreigners? :unsure:


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sawdust said:
Sorry. Here down under we say "You have two chances, none and Buckley's" which means to have no chance at all. It's like a Greek double negative. ;)
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Thanking you thank you....
 
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sawdust said:
You want God to treat everyone the same? That's what the WEF want, that way they can control everyone. You keep taking a singular meaning of the word "fair" (which is a wordly view to begin with) and claim God is not that. Well, no, He is not fair as the world wants fair. No big surprise there.

Synonyms
equitably
objectively
legitimately
honestly
justly
lawfully
without prejudice
dispassionately
impartially
even-handedly
without bias
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So when you make a statement and someone corrects you, your position is to change the subject? God is perfect in every way. Why would I want God to change in any way?

I'm not choosing what the word means. I'm reporting what it means. If you can find in the Bible a defintion for the word or a verse claiming God is fair, please do. I'm open to that. I'll even thank you for it. But every one of us believes things about God that aren't true. We should be glad to have those things corrected.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I'm not choosing what the word means. I'm reporting what it means..
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Here we go then...

Explain this, using your understanding, please..


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you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your ​
right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that ​
one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." Matthew 5:29-30

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sawdust said:
So do you think lying is a sin? Because Satan lied before Adam and Eve fell.

Genesis 3:4
Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.

That's a straight up lie.
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Doesn't say the serpent was Satan.

That's an opinion

Just like all the other opinions in this thread
 
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So when you make a statement and someone corrects you, your position is to change the subject? God is perfect in every way. Why would I want God to change in any way?

I'm not choosing what the word means. I'm reporting what it means. If you can find in the Bible a defintion for the word or a verse claiming God is fair, please do. I'm open to that. I'll even thank you for it. But every one of us believes things about God that aren't true. We should be glad to have those things corrected.
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How have I changed the subject? Your definition of "fair" is to treat everyone the same. It doesn't mean that but that is the worldly understanding of the word. I gave you dictionary definitions of the word fair. Do you want to tell us God is not objective, honest, just, unbiased or impartial, all meanings of the word fair.

You are choosing the meaning of the word because it doesn't mean to treat all people the same but that is exactly how you are trying to use the word to say God is not fair. You want to use that meaning (which isn't the true meaning anyway) then I'm happy to agree, God is not fair, thank God.

So when you make a statement and someone corrects you, your position is to become pendantic with word games and blame the other person for not playing your game?

More Buckley's chance of me listening to your so called corrections.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
You are making non biblical claims while I am using scripture with proofs and Hebrew words with specific definitions. Unfortunately, you are the only one swinging off a tree while I am standing on a solid rock foundation.
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So after a dozen attempts to get you to discuss the original suggestion, and over a dozen diversions from scripture after the fall, where still no nearer to talking about the original suggestion .

I guess we never will be at this rate 😊
 
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sawdust said:
Strewth. I'm guessing you're not referring to your opinions just everyone else.

Give us a break. :rolleyes:
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I have a far better suggestion in the bible that Satan fell after the fall of Adam. 😊

And it also suggests it was satan more than it does the serpent in the garden.

Do you know which verse it is 😊

I bet you do don't ya.
 
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Genez said:
Here we go then...

Explain this, using your understanding, please..


​
If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for ​
you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your ​
right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that ​
one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." Matthew 5:29-30​
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Welcome All

Sunday service 11 Am.
Pastor J. Cameron. ​

Pastor of the "One Eye.. One Hand" Church.​

​

​

No collections are taken.​

We are not looking for a hand out.​

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You are clever and, even, mildly amusing. Perhaps before I explain the verses you shared, you would show me their connection to my post.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You are clever and, even, mildly amusing. Perhaps before I explain the verses you shared, you would show me their connection to my post.
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Boy... you got around that one quick! ;)

At least you tried.

Nope! You have to do your own thinking.
Because it was obvious.

If you can not figure out something so simple?
It leaves me with little hope of trying to explain anything to you...

Must redeem the time. Not waste it.

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Thunderrr-mental said:
The Thunder says ya better take cover 😊
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You sound just like that clerk in the camping supply store I stopped by the other day.

What am I going to do with another cover?

Spring is already here..

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Genez said:
Heard that in Church the other day.

Last time I will go to a Pentecostal church...
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Yes I see your a man of titles and diversions.

I'm.still waiting to discuss the original suggestion 😊

I've been waiting for a thousand years

 
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sawdust said:
How have I changed the subject? Your definition of "fair" is to treat everyone the same. It doesn't mean that but that is the worldly understanding of the word. I gave you dictionary definitions of the word fair. Do you want to tell us God is not objective, honest, just, unbiased or impartial, all meanings of the word fair.

You are choosing the meaning of the word because it doesn't mean to treat all people the same but that is exactly how you are trying to use the word to say God is not fair. You want to use that meaning (which isn't the true meaning anyway) then I'm happy to agree, God is not fair, thank God.

So when you make a statement and someone corrects you, your position is to become pendantic with word games and blame the other person for not playing your game?

More Buckley's chance of me listening to your so called corrections.
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My contention has from the beginning been that nowhere in the Bible does claim to be fair. He does, however, claim to be just.
So, can you show me from scripture where God claims to be fair?
If you read the story of the landowner who at intervals during the day hired workers. At the end of the day, he paid them all the same wage. Was that fair or just?
 
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