Predestination is misunderstood...
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How anyone survives being struck makes me stand in awe. I've read of people who have been struck multiple times and survived. 
In a village there was one man named Rodney.
He lived on a hill top.
He was struck three times.
After the third hit the village people gave him the nickname.
"Lightning Rod."
Not sure if I read that, or dreamed it.....-
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And in this case it does not work that way.
Now pay close attention to this passage (1 Tim 2:3,4): For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. That could accurately be stated as "Who wills all men to be saved". He wills it but He does not decree it. Why? Because each one must FIRST obey the Gospel. Thus: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36) If you don't believe the Son, and do not believe on Him, you will not have eternal life, even though God wills that you should have it. Now do you understand what is being presented?
Now pay close attention to this passage (1 Tim 2:3,4): For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. That could accurately be stated as "Who wills all men to be saved". He wills it but He does not decree it. Why? Because each one must FIRST obey the Gospel. Thus: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36) If you don't believe the Son, and do not believe on Him, you will not have eternal life, even though God wills that you should have it. Now do you understand what is being presented?
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No I don't believe God purposed to save all human beings. There are many Bible verses which state that God wrote the names of the specific individuals He would save in the book of life.
God is almighty, so if He wanted to save all men then all men would be saved but as it is the majority are condemned to hell.
God said, nobody is seeking Him. All have gone astray, each after his own lust so we would never choose God.
God is almighty, so if He wanted to save all men then all men would be saved but as it is the majority are condemned to hell.
God said, nobody is seeking Him. All have gone astray, each after his own lust so we would never choose God.
In a village there was one man named Rodney.
He lived on a hill top.
He was struck three times.
After the third hit the village people gave him the nickname.
"Lightning Rod."
Not sure if I read that, or dreamed it.....
He lived on a hill top.
He was struck three times.
After the third hit the village people gave him the nickname.
"Lightning Rod."
Not sure if I read that, or dreamed it.....
The fact is I survived, and also I look at it as a blessing, I was changed, after being struck by lightening, my life changed, and also I started to have many dreams that came true 😊
So this is why I'm correcting all the balloons in this thread, 😊
And besides this you should call me lord snooty. That my nickname in real life.
That is referring to God's will. We are made in His image and likeness which is why we have a will. To not have a will of our own makes us less than human.
How could Adam make a choice contrary to God's will, if He didn't allow him to exercise his own will in the garden?
You make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
How could Adam make a choice contrary to God's will, if He didn't allow him to exercise his own will in the garden?
You make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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That is referring to God's will. We are made in His image and likeness which is why we have a will. To not have a will of our own makes us less than human.
How could Adam make a choice contrary to God's will, if He didn't allow him to exercise his own will in the garden?
You make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
How could Adam make a choice contrary to God's will, if He didn't allow him to exercise his own will in the garden?
You make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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That is referring to God's will. We are made in His image and likeness which is why we have a will. To not have a will of our own makes us less than human.
How could Adam make a choice contrary to God's will, if He didn't allow him to exercise his own will in the garden?
You make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
How could Adam make a choice contrary to God's will, if He didn't allow him to exercise his own will in the garden?
You make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
What you need is ask God to do his will.
So that his will can be done in your life.
As it stands for people who are not saved, there will is blocked dead.
From the dust they where born and to the dust they will return. Which includes there soul.
The spirit that returns to heaven is his spirit not yours. Thats also his will 😊
Actually you should read about the Book of Life again. All names are written in the book of life UNTIL THEY ARE REMOVED for refusal to repent and believe.
Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. (Exod 32:32,33)
Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. (Exod 32:32,33)
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It says who will have all men saved is not saying He wills people saved, but that He desires all men saved. That is, this is His preference. He takes no pleasure in the death and destruction of man. But He does not will it. It is not accurate to say He wills it. This is a distortion of meaning and grammar. All that God wills comes to pass.
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Which are the same thing.
Posting hundreds of verses where "will" is mentioned by God will not prove which is more accurate, because none of these is a definition.
Human will is indeed limited by God's design. He has endowed humans with freedom of choice within these limitations ... in other words, free will.
It's not that difficult a concept.
Posting hundreds of verses where "will" is mentioned by God will not prove which is more accurate, because none of these is a definition.
Human will is indeed limited by God's design. He has endowed humans with freedom of choice within these limitations ... in other words, free will.
It's not that difficult a concept.
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So, even as all and every kind of sin is forgiven, if God does not will that unbelief is forgiven, then unbelief would be excluded from the sins forgiven. And indeed, it is written there is one unforgiveable sin, a sort of small print clause in the terms of the covenant, if you will, although I know that you will not. But if this is true.... then what? Is it impossible that you might have rejected a truth? I assume, since I believe contrarily in this matter, you must believe that I have rejected the truth, or at the least have embraced the lie.