What if you die before water baptism?

[Thunderrr-mental]

Ok, you were told. I an't intimidating you.

You have been asked many times by me to quit.

Have you listened.

Do you recognised the scripture saying you have receive the holy spirit and Christ.

Well let's go one step further do you recognise you have to to receive the father the son and the holy spirit.

So you tell me why a person is not saved if he has received the father.

Tell me why a person is not saved when he has received the Holy spirit.

Tell me why a person is not saved when he has received the Christ.

So let's ask you again.

Are you saved when the father is drawing you to the son.

Well your not exactly out in the cold are you

But still you haven't received the son have you.

Are you fully saved before you receive the son.

Don't you have to believe in the trinity to be fully saved.

I mean that's one of your rules isn't it.

But then are they your rules.

Surely you yourself only had the father at one stage

 

[Stan_the_Man]

I repented and was born of the spirit 49 some years ago. I am looking for evidence you have repented

Yeah, it's not like I'm going to invite you over to my house for fellowship.

You're the one arguing against what God's Word says about baptism, not me.

and you continue your lies

No, I'm simply going by you arguing against what God's Word says about baptism

Then God anointed Me with his spirit (the spirit took up residence in me)

If that were true, the Holy Spirit would be telling you to accept what God said in His Word about baptism and to quit arguing against what the Lord said.

In scripture we see being baptised into Christ with water.

Yep, and after that the can get filled with the Holy Spirit

Acts 2:37.38
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[CS1]

You have been asked many times by me to quit.

Have you listened.

Do you recognised the scripture saying you have receive the holy spirit and Christ.

Well let's go one step further do you recognise you have to to receive the father the son and the holy spirit.

So you tell me why a person is not saved if he has received the father.

Tell me why a person is not saved when he has received the Holy spirit.

Tell me why a person is not saved when he has received the Christ.

So let's ask you again.

Are you saved when the father is drawing you to the son.

Well your not exactly out in the cold are you

But still you haven't received the son have you.

Are you fully saved before you receive the son.

Don't you have to believe in the trinity to be fully saved.

I mean that's one of your rules isn't it.

But then are they your rules.

Surely you yourself only had the father at one stage

Play the victim after you rail on other people in here.

Jesu was clear when Salvation happens Paul enforced it.


John 3: 16 -19

Roman 10:9-10

We are saved by Grace Through faith. You can't come to the Father without the Son you can't come to the Son if the Spirit did not draw you.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Play the victim after you rail on other people in here.

Jesu was clear when Salvation happens Paul enforced it.


John 3: 16 -19

Roman 10:9-10

We are saved by Grace Through faith. You can't come to the Father without the Son you can't come to the Son if the Spirit did not draw you.

once again you don't answer clear basic simple understandings, and respond by turning it into a drama. Despite a clear basic suggestion being put to you.

Look up the word irrational,.

Victimizers always accuse there victim of playing the victim card.

It's there only way out to take responsibility.

You along with many others have failed to answer over a 100 pleas and hundreds of scriptures over numerous threads all indicating you are saved until you receive salvation.

And not one of you have acknowledged anything put forward, despite every single scripture indicating the same thing.

It's the same old story, where by your own personal salvation and your own personal walk, becomes something on which, the God that you serve is meaningless to other people.

Because In your eyes I might as well be worshipping the devil.

And if I don't bow down to your understanding I become your little puppet to insult.

Well I've got news for you.

I ain't.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Yeah, it's not like I'm going to invite you over to my house for fellowship. View attachment 261316

How could we have fellowship? We are unequally yoked.

You're the one arguing against what God's Word says about baptism, not me.

I am?

I was water baptized. I have witnessed 100’s of baptisms.. I am arguing against Gods word?

No, I'm simply going by you arguing against what God's Word says about baptism

I am not arguing, I am just stating facts

If that were true, the Holy Spirit would be telling you to accept what God said in His Word about baptism and to quit arguing against what the Lord said.

I did accept it, will you?

Yep, and after that the can get filled with the Holy Spirit

Acts 2:37.38
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Have you ever studied this verse in context and detail?

peter told everyone to repent. He did not tell everyone to be baptised.. do you know why?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Yeah, it's not like I'm going to invite you over to my house for fellowship. View attachment 261316

You're the one arguing against what God's Word says about baptism, not me.





No, I'm simply going by you arguing against what God's Word says about baptism





If that were true, the Holy Spirit would be telling you to accept what God said in His Word about baptism and to quit arguing against what the Lord said.




Yep, and after that the can get filled with the Holy Spirit

Acts 2:37.38
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

If I was you buddy I wouldn't go talking to eg about salvation.

He will only insult you further, then go running to the moderators, when you engage with his is insults, he winds you up until he finds an excuse to report you. Then his best buddy cs1, the irrational moderator will support his insults

Hes what you call a big girls blouses. The little boy who cried wolf

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I am done beating a dead horse

I believe that is God's Will, once we "have planted a seed," and possibly 'watered'
by answering legitimate Bible questions:

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions​

and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and​

avoid them. " (Romans 16:17 AV)​

And then "pray for them", Because, Only "God Gave [ Gives ] the increase"
(1 Corinthians 3:6), eh?

Amen.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

peter told everyone to repent. He did not tell everyone to be baptised.. do you know why?

Some folk can't read I guess...

Acts 2:37.38
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

How could we have fellowship? We are unequally yoked.

That's you dude!

 

[CS1]

once again you don't answer clear basic simple understandings, and respond by turning it into a drama. Despite a clear basic suggestion being put to you.

Look up the word irrational,.

Victimizers always accuse there victim of playing the victim card.

It's there only way out to take responsibility.

You along with many others have failed to answer over a 100 pleas and hundreds of scriptures over numerous threads all indicating you are saved until you receive salvation.

And not one of you have acknowledged anything put forward, despite every single scripture indicating the same thing.

It's the same old story, where by your own personal salvation and your own personal walk, becomes something on which, the God that you serve is meaningless to other people.

Because In your eyes I might as well be worshipping the devil.

And if I don't bow down to your understanding I become your little puppet to insult.

Well I've got news for you.

I ain't.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Yeah, it's not like I'm going to invite you over to my house for fellowship. View attachment 261316

You're the one arguing against what God's Word says about baptism, not me.

No, I'm simply going by you arguing against what God's Word says about baptism





If that were true, the Holy Spirit would be telling you to accept what God said in His Word about baptism and to quit arguing against what the Lord said.




Yep, and after that the can get filled with the Holy Spirit

Acts 2:37.38
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.[/QUOTE]

Some folk can't read I guess...

Acts 2:37.38
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Oh I can read. That was not written in the english, it was written in greek.

If you read it in the greek. Peter tells EVERYONE to repent. And tells only a select group of people to be baptized.

But you want to earn your salvation by your works. So you will not do what you must to make sure you got it right. Just like the pharisees did not

That's you dude! View attachment 261321

I studied to show myself approved, You are still ignorant, or lacking understanding, but you need to study

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

well they don't call me lord snooty form nothing down at my local 😊

 

[Stan_the_Man]

If you read it in the greek. Peter tells EVERYONE to repent. And tells only a select group of people to be baptized.

No, that's a fake news rumor started by the Baloney Boys who were just jerkin your chain.

Jesus said those that believe and get baptized will be saved and He was talking to those that wanted to be saved just like Peter was.

I studied to show myself approved, You are still ignorant, or lacking understanding, but you need to study

Looks like comedy hour has begun ladies and gentlemen

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

@Stan_the_Man look àt the above post what does it say, 1110

Analyse it.

If you look at,.you will see it's somebody who gets very personal about there own salvation.

You have to realise salvation is about sharing budy.

Where as his salvation is all about insulting, because you should have been saved the way you should of like him.

Don't respond to him buddy

 

[LoriSaysHey]

This is a thread for people who believe water baptism is required for salvation, if you aren't that type of person, then obviously you don't need to answer this question, as I know you will just say the man is saved, as water isnt required.

Hypothetical situations that are often brought up by people to argue against baptismal regeneration are:

1. What about someone who is ill, about to die, cries out to God, asks Jesus to save them, will they die lost because they didn't have enough time to get baptized?

2. What about someone who is on a stranded island and has no one to baptize him, dies there, will he die lost?

In my opinion both of these arguments deserve a proper response, which is why I am making this thread. Give me your case, you who believe baptism in water is required for salvation.

PS I hope this thread isnt gonna turn into 50 responses and 0 answers and everyone just saying "Its not required for salvation because of such and such." I get it, I know the arguments both ways, but im just asking our baptismal regeneration people here to answer these. Thank you for understanding.

 

[LoriSaysHey]

Totally agree with you that Baptism is not required to be saved. Remember the theif on the cross whom Jesus said to him that he would be with him in Paradise? He wasn't taken down and baptised. Jesus knew that in this man's heart he believed that Jesus was the Christ and felt bad about his sins. However, Baptism is an important step that all Believers should desire to take (and not be forced to take) to make a public statement that they follow Jesus Christ and thank Him for forgiving them of their sins. Too many churches have turned Baptism into a religious act required to be saved and/or to be a member of their church. Jesus knows your heart, you can't fool him.

 

[jamessb]

The OP states "What if you die before water baptism?" There is only one answer: You stop breathing and your heart stops beating.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Totally agree with you that Baptism is not required to be saved. Remember the theif on the cross whom Jesus said to him that he would be with him in Paradise? He wasn't taken down and baptised. Jesus knew that in this man's heart he believed that Jesus was the Christ and felt bad about his sins. However, Baptism is an important step that all Believers should desire to take (and not be forced to take) to make a public statement that they follow Jesus Christ and thank Him for forgiving them of their sins. Too many churches have turned Baptism into a religious act required to be saved and/or to be a member of their church. Jesus knows your heart, you can't fool him.

total utter nonsense.

Do you presume that the thief was raised to life before he went to paradise

And do you know where paradise was

 

[jamessb]

Totally agree with you that Baptism is not required to be saved. Remember the theif on the cross whom Jesus said to him that he would be with him in Paradise? He wasn't taken down and baptised. Jesus knew that in this man's heart he believed that Jesus was the Christ and felt bad about his sins. However, Baptism is an important step that all Believers should desire to take (and not be forced to take) to make a public statement that they follow Jesus Christ and thank Him for forgiving them of their sins. Too many churches have turned Baptism into a religious act required to be saved and/or to be a member of their church. Jesus knows your heart, you can't fool him.

Great post! Thanks!

 

[CS1]

total utter nonsense.

Do you presume that the thief was raised to life before he went to paradise

And do you know where paradise was

do you?

 

[LoriSaysHey]

do you?

Wow, I would hope people on this chat who identify themselves as Christians, would be considerate of others even if they don't agree. Please tell me why this is nonsense (using Scripture and not just your opinion or your church's teachings/traditions). Of course prior to Jesus' resurrection, all believers went to Paradise (or Hades as evidenced in Luke 16:19-31 with Abraham and Lazarus) also called Abraham's bosom to wait for Jesus to take them to Heaven after He died.